[Capri25] Capri's and Zebras.

Mon Sep 20 13:34:49 CDT 2010

Capri owners,

Please plan to drill-and-drain, or port-and-mop your boat when you crane out
this fall.  If you don't know how to do it, please ask for help.  Most of us
have done this before, and are quite familiar with it.  It doesn't take
long, and is good for your boat anyway.

I will draft a rule proposal and bring it to our next fleet meeting so this
can become a permanent requirement.

Thanks,
OT

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:11 PM, <dallas at dallasjohnson.net> wrote:

> We found the inspection port allowed us to mop up excessive water and get
> the point where it was dry enough that a couple warm days would completely
> dry the bilge.
>
> I've long advocated access ports, but Zebras are the current hot topic that
> makes this a bigger deal. While we all know that there are some very obvious
> abusers out there besides racing sailboats when it comes to invasive
> species, it's our job to make sure we are responsible for our own boats.
>
> FYI: Baby zebras are too small to be identified visually, so there is a
> very real problem with ANY water from lake Minnetonka.
>
> I've heard some say that if the water freezes in your hull over the winter
> the zebras (or baby zebra mussels) will die, or that they plan to hauling
> out and return to WYC so they can't infest any other lakes. While you are
> correct, I'm still going by what the law says. The DNR was asked these
> questions and they have very good reasons' for these laws.
>
> dallas
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Capri25] Capri's and Zebras.
> From: "Doug Dickerson" <Doug at Molgren.com>
> Date: Mon, September 20, 2010 9:25 am
> To: "'Greg Seifert'" <gseifert at ame-corp.com>, "'capri 25'"
> <Capri25 at lists.wyc.org>
>
>  I drilled three holes in the bottom of Fly By Night’s next to the keel…
> ala Red Shift.   Almost 4 gallons of water came out.  The water is trapped
> between the core layers… all though from the top hull it’s dry as a bone.
>  This liquid stained my pole barn concrete floor all the way to the drain 35
> feet.  Greg, I wish it was spilled beer.  I think somebody tipped over the
> bucket.
>
> I recommend everyone to drill holes in the bottom of the hull in the fall
> to dry out their core.  It has nothing to do with ZMs. The only Capri(9 out
> of 10) that I have drilled that did not have water drain from the bottom of
> the hull was Molly… and we all know how meticulous Mark is.
>
> I think Greg is right that it mostly rainwater but that water breaks down
> the inner fiberglass, blisters, keel support and rots out the core.  A
> gallon of water weighs 8.3 lbs.  If you want to displace 25 extra pounds
> around the race course leave the water in.
>
> It’s really easy to fill with epoxy and syringe in the spring.
>
> I have heard rumors that John on Phoenixwill be giving a symposium on how
> to drop the keel and fix the rotten keel supports.
>
> Doug Dickerson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>  *From:* capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org [
> mailto:capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org <capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Seifert
> *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 3:42 PM
> *To:* 'capri25'
> *Subject:* Re: [Capri25] Capri's and Zebras.
>
>
> I also think that being very careful with ZMs is a great idea.  However the
> law doesn’t ban transporting water in boats, it bans transporting “water
> from infested waters”.  I have always been under the belief that the liquids
> collected in our bilge are in fact rainwater and spilled beer.  Our cockpit
> scuppers do take in lake water from time to time, but I don’t think this can
> get to the bilge.  Do you guys think you’re getting lake water in the bilge?
>
> While it may be wise from the perspective of keeping the hull innards dry,
> I’d hate to force everybody to drill holes in their boats if it really
> doesn’t have anything to do with ZMs.
>
> Danke,
>
> Greg Seifert
> Red Shift
>
>
>  *From:* capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org [
> mailto:capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org <capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Dan McNamara
> *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 2:47 PM
> *To:* Odell Tuttle; capri 25
> *Subject:* Re: [Capri25] Capri's and Zebras.
>
> There are 2 blind sumps in all Capri's.  Consensus drilled 2 holes, one on
> each side of the keel with a hole saw.  Under the cabin sole there is an air
> gap, a layer of plywood and another air gap.  You need to drill through to
> the second air gap.  All are welcome to look a Consensus.  Smitten also has
> these holes.
>
>  Dan
>
>
>  On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Odell Tuttle wrote:
>
>  Andy,
>
>  Thanks.  That's a good idea.
>
>  Dan, can you get some photos?  I bet Catapult will let you look at
> theirs.  I have one too, but it's ugly.
>
>  Thanks,
>  OT
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Andy Spence-Parsons <
> andy.spence-parsons at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  OT - this is a big deal. I know Dallas and the WYC board want to be seen
> to be out-in-front of this issue.  Maybe you can raise it quickly with the
> technical committee, get some photos of the modification he recommends, and
> then get it up online.  Haul-out is fast approaching.
>
> Let me know.
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: dallas at dallasjohnson.net
> To: capri25 at lists.wyc.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:19:40 PM
> Subject: [Capri25] Capri's and Zebras.
>  Capri owners.
>
>  I met with the DNR this morning regarding the imminent Zebra invasion and
> one thing we've learned about Zebra's is that it's critical for all boaters
> to ensure their boats do not have standing water in the boat when leaving
> the lake.This allows the boat to dry completely and kill zebras. Yes, I know
> your boat will freeze over in the winter to kill zebras, but the law is to
> not transport any water in boats on the road.
>
>  Capri's are unique to in that water can be trapped in the bilge under the
> floor pan. There is no accessible access from which to pump out water from a
> Capribilge.
>
>  My Caprihad a $10 access port under the wooden floorboard (which we had
> removed for racing). Honestly, any self respecting racer should have an
> access port to pump/mop water out of the bilge so the boat is not heavy, the
> keel brace doesn't rot, and now to eliminate standing water where Zebras
> might be transported.
>
>  My recommendation is that the fleet consider how to best implement access
> ports in your bilges, and then make it a rule in the fleet rules to require
> installation.  Zebras might seem like a little deal now, but this will
> change significantly in just a few years.
>
>  Thanks,
>  dallas
>
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