[Capri25] Rumble
Stewart Carpenter
dendrochronology at msn.com
Fri May 3 09:57:46 CDT 2013
Hey guys, I'm not an official crew rep, but I thought I would put some thoughts out there. I have seen lots of votes for a 2pm start. The race committee will not start a race after 3pm, meaning we get only about 1 hour (plus 10-15 mins) of racing in. I guess I envisioned a little bit more of an intensive racing day when it comes to these new "Rumbles". Personally, running the rumbles as a separate series is the best plan. I have been in the position as a tactician where a series has come down to our performance in the "Rumble". The "rumble" turned into a "grumble" when rules were inconsistently enforced (especially at the starting line, where there should have probably been a few general recalls...then as boats realized they were not going to be called over, they began to really push the envelope of fair seamanship, punishing those who started below the line with their illegally obtained dirty air), and communication about course and start sequence from the race committee was lacking, not to mention the tactical nightmare of 25 boats rounding the mark at virtually the same time after a first beat of less than a quarter mile ("mid course" start line could be set closer to the leeward mark than the windward in my opinion, perhaps about 2/3 of the course length should be above the start line, to help spread the boats out a bit more). I know our race committee will do what they can to make these races fair and enforce the rules, but I pity any boat that has to try to win a mini-series like the rumble with no throw-outs in order to secure their place in a Championship (or A, B, C) Series. Yes, this is a bit of a rant, but I'd hate to see the prestige of the Championship Series damaged just to "spice things up". Stewart Carpenter
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> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 21:39:25 -0500
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> 1. Re: FW: Rumble in the Bay (Dan McNamara)
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> Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 21:39:27 -0500
> From: Dan McNamara <mcnamara at visi.com>
> To: Temple Blackwood <temple.blackwood at infor.com>
> Cc: capri 25 <capri25 at lists.wyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Capri25] FW: Rumble in the Bay
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> Consensus for noon
> If we start early we can finish before the rest of the fleet and get to the good beer.
> If we are not doing drops I suggest a W2 with a mid course start and finish
> That way you can make up for a bad start or fist rounding
> I asked Ernie if the winner of the day would get BOTY points he said no
> This gives an advantage to any boat that wins the main lake race that day
> I ask the fleet to consider making this part of the sunday series and BOTY the same as we do for the Thursday rumbles
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> Dan
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> On May 2, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Bruce Eaton <bruce at e10inc.com> wrote:
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> > I would like to see either a 1pm start or a 2pm start.
> >
> >
> > Bruce Eaton /Wahoo
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> >
> > On May 2, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Temple Blackwood wrote:
> >
> >> Bert sent another email clarifying a few details on the Rumble. At this point, he is only asking us what time we want to start them.
> >> As he states, the RC will have some flexibility in deciding where to run the races and length of course.
> >> And scoring will be each day of Rumble will be its own mini-series. It won?t count towards the Champ series.
> >>
> >> So far I have tallied these votes.
> >> 1 for 10 am
> >> 1 for 11 am
> >> 3 for 12 pm
> >> 1 for 1 pm
> >> 3 for 2 pm
> >> 2 abstained (not planning to sail the Rumbles)
> >>
> >> Some people have commented on the logistical issue of the rest of the fleet heading out to the Main lake while we are in the middle of a Rumble, and also the issue that we might get back to dock/social hour long before the fleets on the Main lake (making it less social). I?m inclined to leave these logistical issues to the RC because they will have the same problems on every Sunday as they run Rumbles for the other one-design fleets.
> >>
> >> Any more boats want to vote?
> >>
> >> <image001.gif>
> >> Temple Blackwood - Systems Configuration Engineer
> >> office: 651-767-4063 | mobile: 651-894-3683 | home: 651-699-0598
> >> temple.blackwood at infor.com | http://www.infor.com
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Bert Foster [mailto:Bert at apexq.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:09 PM
> >> To: Temple Blackwood
> >> Subject: RE: [Capri25] Rumble in the Bay
> >>
> >> Hi Temple,
> >>
> >> The start time choices for the fleets are 10-11-12-1
> >>
> >> We are counting each Sunday as a single day regatta, and at some point, if it is popular, we will get keeper trophies for it. It will be a line on your picture. It is not a replacement for a Sunday race and therefore the position in the one day regatta will not be scored in the series race that day that it replaced.
> >>
> >> The race committee will run as many races as they can get in before the 3 PM final warning time. Some of the races will be longer than others, and therefore there will be no maximum number of races. Let's see how it goes. With the wind out of the South we may well move the rumble races to the main Lake, but with the wind in an east-west direction the Bay works great. Length of the races will very a great deal depending upon wind velocity.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Bert
> >>
> >> From: capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Temple Blackwood
> >> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:45 PM
> >> To: capri25 at lists.wyc.org
> >> Cc: Ernie Brody (epbrody at earthlink.net)
> >> Subject: [Capri25] Rumble in the Bay
> >>
> >> As I hope you have all heard the race committee is making Rumble in the Bay a regular feature for several of the fleets. We will have one Sunday in each of June, July and August where we have several back-to-back races in the style we have done the last several years as Rumble in the Bay.
> >>
> >> I have been remiss however in getting feedback from you all on this. We still need to tell the race committee a few details of how we want these to run. I would like a response from as many Boat Owners and Crew Representatives as I can get. Please answer the following items.
> >>
> >>
> >> Start time:
> >> They will not start a race after 3:00 pm. When do we want the first race to start? 10 ? 11 ? 12 ? 1 ? 2
> >>
> >> Scoring:
> >> We could aggregate all the races from one Sunday Rumble and count it as a single race within the given Sunday series.
> >> Or we could count the 3 Sunday?s when we Rumble as its own series. (If it is its own series, how many throwouts should we have?)
> >> Or we could count each Rumble on its own.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As I said, we need to get these answers to the race committee ASAP. If I don?t get enough responses in the next couple of days to get a clear idea of the Fleet?s wishes, I will make an executive decision which will be:
> >> Start at 12:00.
> >> Maximum number of races 10.
> >> Each Sunday Rumble will be scored on its own and not count towards the Champ series.
> >> And, since I started home-brewing this winter, I will offer a 12-pack of home-brew as the prize for each Rumble.
> >>
> >> - Temple
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> >> Temple Blackwood ? Systems Configuration Engineer
> >> office: 651-767-4063 | mobile: 651-894-3683 | home: 651-699-0598
> >> temple.blackwood at infor.com | http://www.infor.com
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