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<div>I've long advocated access ports, but Zebras are the current hot topic that makes this a bigger deal. While we all know that there are some very obvious abusers out there besides racing sailboats when it comes to invasive species, it's our job to make sure we are responsible for our own boats. </div>
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<div>FYI: Baby zebras are too small to be identified visually, so there is a very real problem with ANY water from lake Minnetonka. </div>
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<div>I've heard some say that if the water freezes in your hull over the winter the zebras (or baby zebra mussels) will die, or that they plan to hauling out and return to WYC so they can't infest any other lakes. While you are correct, I'm still going by what the law says. The DNR was asked these questions and they have very good reasons' for these laws. </div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I drilled three holes in the bottom of Fly By Night’s next to the keel… ala Red Shift. Almost 4 gallons of water came out. The water is trapped between the core layers… all though from the top hull it’s dry as a bone. This liquid stained my pole barn concrete floor all the way to the drain 35 feet. Greg, I wish it was spilled beer. I think somebody tipped over the bucket. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I recommend everyone to drill holes in the bottom of the hull in the fall to dry out their core. It has nothing to do with ZMs. The only <st1:place w:st="on">Capri</st1:place>(9 out of 10) that I have drilled that did not have water drain from the bottom of the hull was Molly… and we all know how meticulous Mark is. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think Greg is right that it mostly rainwater but that water breaks down the inner fiberglass, blisters, keel support and rots out the core. A gallon of water weighs 8.3 lbs. If you want to displace 25 extra pounds around the race course leave the water in. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal style="font-size:12pt;"><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a href="mailto:capri25-bounces@lists.wyc.org">capri25-bounces@lists.wyc.org</a> [<a href="mailto:capri25-bounces@lists.wyc.org">mailto:capri25-bounces@lists.wyc.org</a>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Greg Seifert<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, September 17, 2010 3:42 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:place w:st="on">capri</st1:place>25'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Capri25] <st1:place w:st="on">Capri</st1:place>'s and Zebras.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV>
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