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color=#0000ff size=2>Bert,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=481560014-21062006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Great reply - with answers ! And thank
you for cutting to the chase - I think we all appreciate
that. See you Thursday. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=481560014-21062006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>George </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Bert Foster [mailto:Bert@apexq.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> George Hansen;
j22@lists.wyc.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> bslocum@earthlink.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Z
Course<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi All,<BR>Dallas, We have gone both sides and/or up the middle
depending on what we thought the wind favoring and not found the waves a
problem, and found congestion way down. Not withstanding one needs to pick
a lane, but there are many more lanes to choose from.<BR><BR>Bob, Not
correct. The ZL1 is a left side W 2 1/2 with a short reach leg to get
there. We have 2 finish line (R and L) so the ZL1 finish at the left
finish line while the ZRW 2 1/2 finishes left. <BR><BR>To All, we
have had somewhat more congestion because when we planned the Z we didn't think
we would have 2 finish lines and therefore had to have everybody reach over to
the left to finish at the left finish line. When we worked with the Race
Officers Corp we determine we would try to have 2 finish lines. It takes a
lot of watch coordination, talent, training, equipment, and more staff.
The RC Staff has really stepped up to the plate and done very well. We are
now going to try these new courses, ZRW 2 1/2 and 3 1/3 on the right side.
I think it will improve what we have..<BR><BR>Dutch, that's a good idea
and was in the original plan and will be tried. The J-22s tell me that the
Capris don't sail into them, so, we will try both, and see what works
best.<BR><BR><B>GEORGE: Forget the FORMAL FLEET PROPOSAL.</B> Who
would you formally present it to? What lawyer would you get to write
it? How would you prevent it from reeking of "J-22 SELF-INTEREST"?
George, just talk to me and if Blake is available, include him. We all
have the same goal, to make the best, least congested racing possible, and Blake
and I have the added goal evening out among the fleets or sharing what
congestion there is.<BR><BR>To All, I just thought of another buoy
idea. Use the new yellow and white tomatoes as starting marks and use the
big 8 foot orange tetrahedrons as the RW and RL marks.<BR><BR><FONT
size=4><B>WE WELCOME YOUR THOUGHTS -- LETS TALK
THURSDAY.<BR><BR></B></FONT>Regards,<BR>Bert<BR><BR><BR>At 01:04 PM 6/20/2006,
George Hansen wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">FYI - additional comments
about the z course<BR><BR>Is it just me....<BR>I try try try to stay out of
the middle on Thurday nights. With the Z<BR>courses I find that I'm now forced
to go to only one side because if you go<BR>the other way you're stuck in the
middle of the other course. Also, the wave<BR>action in the middle of the
course seems extra nasty. <BR><BR>I haven't had time to review this on Kattack
or gossip about it much, so<BR>maybe I'm all wrong. <BR>Sorry if I'm off
topic. Have a consistent color and shape on each side of<BR>the course and I
think we'll all (including the RC) eventually get it<BR>figured out. And big
marks, Macy's parade size marks. <BR>Dallas<BR><BR>Hello George,<BR>When you
forwarded Bert's "Two new Z courses", I noticed that they were
both<BR>examples of R courses. No mention that a change in the L courses would
have<BR>to be made also (L courses have to finish at the R course finish
line). Am<BR>I correct?<BR>Bob Slocum<BR>bslocum@earthlink.net
<BR><BR>Bert,<BR><BR>If I can comment without rattling any cages. If the J-22s
and Capri's are on<BR>the same course, the Capri's will normally sail into the
J-22 fleet. The<BR>Capri's generally do not want the O course if at all
possible. It would seem<BR>logical to me to alternate courses with each
successive start sending the<BR>J-24s, J-22s, and S2 7.9s to one course and
the Sonars, Capri's and MORC to<BR>the other. The Ensigns could go to
the same side as the J-24s and the PERF 1<BR>could run the same side as the
Capris if that helps seperate fleets that<BR>start together. Just one mans
opinion. Thanks.<BR><BR>Dutch Bull<BR>dbull@versaim.com<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: George Hansen [<A href="mailto:george@pcspeed.com"
eudora="autourl"> mailto:george@pcspeed.com</A>] <BR>Sent: Tuesday, June 20,
2006 10:49 AM<BR>To: j22@lists.wyc.org<BR>Subject: [J22-Fleet 1] Discussion
Thread - Z Course<BR><BR>J22 Fleet # 1,<BR>Hello. There seems to be a
fair amount of discussion regarding last<BR>Thursday's race, and the 'Z'
course designation @ WYC. So I would like to<BR>try something new
here ? And get a discussion thread going about the 'Z'<BR>course.
Lets focus on situations you have experienced, problems you
have<BR>seen, and how could we improve the course/racing ?<BR><BR>The good
news (not really) for me is that I was not racing last Thursday, so<BR>at
least I can help moderate. Above all, lets keep the attitude of
this<BR>thread positive and hopefully it will help our fleet. I have
included<BR>previous content as a start. Please keep comments to the
point. NO<BR>Detailed SIGNATURES (it will keep the thread shorter)
<BR><BR>And as a reply to Mike's idea below. I would be happy to gather
a group<BR>after this Thursday's race to continue this discussion - and
possibly put<BR>together a formal Fleet proposal. Thus this thread
also. <BR>George<BR>J22#820<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Michael Bowers [<A
href="mailto:msbowers_55431@yahoo.com" eudora="autourl">
mailto:msbowers_55431@yahoo.com</A>] George,<BR><BR>Can we talk after the race
Thursday about putting together a formal<BR>(unified) proposal from the J22
fleet to the RC regarding course layout and<BR>mark type. I think the RC
is really trying to give our fleet more racing<BR>room, as we are usually the
only ones on the ZR side, but on 3 occations so<BR>far this season it has
resulted in bigger problems than it solved.<BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR>--- Jon Noller
<dijon@mchsi.com> wrote:<BR><BR>> Agreed, Mike. Change the
color from white to bright yellow and make <BR>> them tall cylinders (7
footers, yeah baby!). They NEED to be <BR>> distinctly
different.<BR>> <BR>> Example: <A
href="http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d3000/e2089.asp"
eudora="autourl">http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d3000/e2089.asp</A><BR><BR><BR>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Michael Bowers"
<msbowers_55431@yahoo.com><BR>> <BR>> >I don't think this will
solve the #1 problem with the Z course which<BR>> is<BR>> > that the
course rarely resembles the diagramed course. Windshifts <BR>> >
after the start have resulted in akward placement of the down wind <BR>>
> marks, making it difficult to figure out which way to head.<BR>>
><BR>> > If the Z course is to succeed, I propose adding a large
Round<BR>> White(?)<BR>> > mark to designate the downwind right
course and keep the large<BR>> Round<BR>> > Red for the left
mark. Reusing the orange tetras leads to too much <BR>> >
confusion given that they are the starting marks.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Also, every effort should be made to keep the courses seperate and <BR>>
> distinct. Placing the left course downwind mark <100yds from the
<BR>> > starting line is NOT enough seperation of the courses. If
the race<BR>> has<BR>> > to be set up along the long axis of the lake
such that the left and <BR>> > right courses can't be placed far enough
apart, then we simply <BR>> > shouldn't use it.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Mike<BR>> ><BR><BR>Hi George,<BR><BR>Has there been any official
discussion regarding clearing up the confusion<BR>regarding Thursday night
courses as far as:<BR><BR>--when and where marks are laid,<BR>--the
types/shapes/colors of the marks, and --signals (or lack thereof) from<BR>the
the RC boat for what appear to be course changes<BR><BR>Thanks
George.<BR><BR>John<BR>> ><BR>> > --- George Hansen
<george@pcspeed.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> Attached is an
update from our distinguished WYC race chairman, <BR>> >> concerning
the new z course which was added this year. WYC has <BR>> >> expanded
the z courses to include the following - see attached as <BR>> >>
well. Thank you -<BR>> George<BR>> >><BR>> >>
George Hansen<BR>> >> J22 Fleet # 1 Captain/WYC BOD<BR>> >>
George@pcspeed.com<BR>> >> 612-940-2702 cell<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >><BR>> >> NEW Z courses<BR>>
>><BR>> >> Change Notice # 1<BR>> >> Change in WYC
Sailing Instructions<BR>> >><BR>> >> Add 2 new Z
courses.<BR>> >><BR>> >> ZRW 2-1/2 (5 leg
windward/leeward on right course (only) with <BR>> >> finishes at RW
Start - RW - RL - RW - RL - Finish at RW<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >> ZRW 3-1/2 (7 leg windward/leeward on right
course (only) with <BR>> >> finishes at RW Start - RW - RL - RW - RL
- RW - RL - Finish at RW<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> <BR>>
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