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<P><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Good feedback Mike. We missed you at
the fleet meeting :) A few quick replies regarding past discussion on
these issues....in HTML format for those that can see it.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>George <BR></FONT><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org [<A
href="mailto:j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org">mailto:j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org</A>] On
Behalf Of Michael Bowers<BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:58 PM<BR>To:
j22@lists.wyc.org<BR>Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached - April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**<BR><BR>I have to echo
some of Pat's comments. Unfortunately I was not at the fleet meeting where
these ideas were discussed.<BR><BR>I view items 1 and 2 to be contradictory to
the intent of item 3. I also think there is an assumption that there HAS
to be average points awarded. There are not currently average points (that
I know of) and this should also be an option to vote for. <BR><BR><FONT
color=#0000ff>The executive committee wanted to encourage off lake
participationa by awarding average points using a standard method. Choices
are below. <BR></FONT><BR>For item 3, my assumption is that the Fleet
Captain would have the option to de-classify a scheduled champ race because 1 or
more boats that are vieing for the fleet championship have gone off to race at a
North American or World Championship and represent our club and fleet at a
highly visible event. This or a natural disaster, in which case I hope
people would be more concerned for their family and property than the standing
in a fleet race, are the only reasons I could see for the fleet captain to
assert this athority.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Last year is a good example of
when, as fleet captain, I had to alter the champ series to accomidate other
seasonal events. That is the reason for the fleet captain choice of total
control below.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>If a race is declassified, there would be no reason to award
average points. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>Not for that race - this is
true</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff> </FONT><BR>I do not think it
makes sense at the begining of the season to not schedule a champ race against a
NA's or World's however, since there is no gaurantee that a member of our fleet
will go, or if they do, neccessarily care about their standing in the
series. I think it makes sense in this situation for the fleet captain to
take the apporpriate action.</FONT><FONT size=2><BR><BR>Unless I'm completely
missing the point? Was there another reason for item 3 on this list?
The situation last year at the end of the season, in my mind, would have fallen
under the guise of a NA's and would have been to the discresion of the fleet
captain to de-classify because most of the fleet was still reeling from hosting
the NA's.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>In certain circumstances we might want to
encourage participation by altering the schedule to accomidate NA's or
Worlds. This merely gives us the flexibility to do that.</FONT>
<BR><BR>Despite my views, I still laud the attempt to get this stuff down on
paper and presented and voted on by the fleet. Please don't take my
comments as an attempt to create chaos. I still think it is a better idea
to have a rule that we can work with than to have random musings and no basis
for direction.<BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR>--- Pat Kabris <pkabris@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:<BR><BR>> Were these rules discussed and made by motion at an open
forum (fleet<BR>> <BR>> meeting) as they should
be?? These options seem to imply that <BR>>
there are no other choices. Who was the author??<BR>><BR>> I
think the option for a Fleet Captain to act as his/her discretion on<BR>>
which races may be counted is far too broad with no apparent<BR>>
limitations. This may be appropriate under some circumstances but
not<BR>> as a 'carte blanche' policy.<BR>><BR>> And the email I
received does not bylaws attached.<BR>><BR>> Cheers,<BR>> Pat
Kabris<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:45 PM, George
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Notice of Vote<BR>> > Official Ballot - Fleet
# 1 Bylaws<BR>> > Voting Deadline - April 29/2007 – 12pm (noon)<BR>>
><BR>> > Attached please find Notice of Vote/Official Ballot and J22
Fleet #<BR>> <BR>> > 1 Bylaws documents. We are voting on 3
issues within the newly<BR>> > adopted J22 Fleet # 1 Bylaws - see attached
and below.<BR>> ><BR>> > Rules and Eligibility:<BR>> > For the
purposes of voting on the Bylaws or Elections, each boat<BR>> > shall be
entitled to one vote and may designate a proxy. A ballot<BR>><BR>>
> shall be distributed to all Voting Members via email and/or in<BR>> >
person 14 days prior to the election or voting date. No votes
will<BR>> <BR>> > be accepted after the voting deadline as set by
the fleet captain.<BR>> <BR>> > A simple majority shall carry the
decision. All votes shall be<BR>> > tabulated by the J22 Fleet #1
Captain.<BR>> > Modifications to these by-laws may be proposed by any
Voting Member<BR>> <BR>> > and voted on at the annual meeting
only. A majority of Voting<BR>> > Members or their proxies must have
responded to the vote to approve<BR>> <BR>> > a change.<BR>>
><BR>> > Voting Deadline:<BR>> > This election is being conducted
via email. Notice of Vote/<BR>> > Election and Ballot will be
distributed by email. All ballots shall<BR>> > be returned to the
Fleet Captain no later that April 29, 2007<BR>> <BR>> > at 12:00pm
(noon). Any Voting member that is unable to return
your<BR>> <BR>> > ballot via email may contact the Fleet Captain
to make special<BR>> > arrangements to deliver your ballot. All
ballots are due by April<BR>><BR>> > 29, 2007 at 12:00pm (noon) - no
exceptions.<BR>> ><BR>> > Contact: For information contact
George Hansen, e-mail<BR>> > george@pcspeed.com or phone (612)
940-2702<BR>> ><BR>> > Official Ballot:<BR>> ><BR>> >
Place a capital “X” next to the option you are voting in favor
of.<BR>> <BR>> > Please fill out the bottom of the ballot
completely.<BR>> ><BR>> > Average Points -<BR>> > _____Option
#1 –<BR>> > o Average points
shall only be awarded for International or<BR>><BR>> > National
sanctioned J22 events (Worlds & North Americans).<BR>> >
o Average scores will count for Fleet
Season Championship <BR>> > Series purposes only, not individual
series<BR>> ><BR>> > _____Option #2 –<BR>> >
o Average points shall be awarded for
regattas that have a <BR>> > stated J22 class, racing as
one-design.<BR>> > o No more
than five average scores will be given to one <BR>> > yacht within a
calendar season.<BR>> > o
Average scores will count for Fleet Season Championship <BR>> >
Series purposes only, not individual series<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
> Calculating Average Points<BR>> ><BR>> > _____Option #1
–<BR>> > o Average points shall
be calculated based on RRS A10(a). <BR>> > Points equal to the
average, to the nearest tenth of a point, of her<BR>> > points in all the
races in the series (A, B, C, G, T, M & MYC Champ<BR>> > series)
except the race in question.<BR>> > _____Option #2 –<BR>> >
o Average points shall be calculated
based on RRS A10(b). <BR>> > Points equal to the average, to
the nearest tenth of a point (0.05<BR>><BR>> > to be rounded upward),
of her points in all the races of that series<BR>> > (A, B, C, G, T, M
& MYC Champ series) before the race in question.<BR>> > Fleet Captain
Option<BR>> > · The Fleet
Captain may at his or her discretion designate<BR>><BR>> > races as
non-championship races for certain events.<BR>> > _____YEA<BR>> >
_____NAY<BR>> ><BR>> > J22 Hull
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Voting <BR>> >
Member:
Date:<BR>> > <Notice Of Vote.doc><BR>> > <J22 Fleet # 1
Bylaws - Final.doc><BR>> >
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