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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125251103-19042007>Thank you for
the</SPAN> feedback and insight Thorn. This goes a long way to explaining the nuances of what the<SPAN
class=125251103-19042007> </SPAN><SPAN
class=125251103-19042007>Bylaws</SPAN> Exec Committee was debating. And how we arrived with the solutions we did. </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>Love the discussion -<SPAN class=125251103-19042007> so
keep it coming if anyone has more to add.
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<DIV><FONT><FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=125251103-19042007>George </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Thorn Turner [mailto:jtturner12@yahoo.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:28 PM<BR><B>To:</B> George;
msbowers@alum.mit.edu; j22@lists.wyc.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [J22-Fleet 1]
**Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting
Deadline**<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">A couple
additional thoughts on all the points below:</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">There
has never been an "official" policy on average points and this has led to fear
and loathing in the past. I think whatever we (or boat owners to be
more specific) decide as a Fleet is fine but let's put it in writing and agree
in advance of the season. Pat's comments on the marathon nature of the
Champ. series are valid hence the rationale to award average points
to encourage off-lake participation. My hunch is some people already
look at the combined Champ or Districts as the pseudo "champ" series which is
fine. Every Fleet out there has this issue with Inland, District,
Regional, National, North American, World, etc. championships routinely on
the schedule. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I
submitted the point on the Fleet Captain being able to designate a race as a
non-Champ. I think it's the best solution for at least one weekend of
the NA's or Worlds. We're lucky to have an incredibly
strong local Fleet but the overall health means we need to get off the lake
and compete, and potentially forfeiting a Champ. series position should not be
an obstacle. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">The 2005
and 2006 NA's are good examples; in '05 there was the
dilemma of whether to drive all night back from the event to make the Sunday
Champ. race, as well as the potential to have to sail the lay day, Sunday,
and there actually was discussion as to whether you would bail on the last
day of the NA's or miss a Champ. race. Last fall I think there were four
boats on the line for the final race following the NA's. In my opinion the
best decision here would be to designate the race as non-Champ. However,
the Fleet Captain puts in a lot of volunteer time and I think we need to
trust him or her to act in the best interest of the Fleet when the season
schedule is determined (usually in January) to see these issues and act.
Mid summer is not the time to make these calls. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">All of
this said though, I'm still in favor of giving average points for attending
Cleveland Race Week, Levels, East Coast Champs, etc. It makes us all look
good. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">All of
this discussion is good. The lack of written policies has led to issues in
the past so whatever is voted on is fine. There should be very few
average points issues this year with the NA's in Sept. and Worlds in Dec. so
look at this as a trial run. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">My
$00.02...</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thorn
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Original Message ----<BR>From: George <george@pcspeed.com><BR>To:
msbowers@alum.mit.edu; j22@lists.wyc.org<BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007
5:08:11 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**<BR><BR>
<P><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Good feedback Mike. We missed you at
the fleet meeting :) A few quick replies regarding past discussion on
these issues....in HTML format for those that can see it.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>George <BR></FONT><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org [<A
href="mailto:j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>mailto:j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org</A>] On Behalf Of Michael
Bowers<BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:58 PM<BR>To:
j22@lists.wyc.org<BR>Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached - April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**<BR><BR>I have to echo
some of Pat's comments. Unfortunately I was not at the fleet meeting where
these ideas were discussed.<BR><BR>I view items 1 and 2 to be contradictory to
the intent of item 3. I also think there is an assumption that there HAS
to be average points awarded. There are not currently average points (that
I know of) and this should also be an option to vote for. <BR><BR><FONT
color=#0000ff>The executive committee wanted to encourage off lake
participationa by awarding average points using a standard method. Choices
are below. <BR></FONT><BR>For item 3, my assumption is that the Fleet
Captain would have the option to de-classify a scheduled champ race because 1 or
more boats that are vieing for the fleet championship have gone off to race at a
North American or World Championship and represent our club and fleet at a
highly visible event. This or a natural disaster, in which case I hope
people would be more concerned for their family and property than the standing
in a fleet race, are the only reasons I could see for the fleet captain to
assert this athority.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Last year is a good example of
when, as fleet captain, I had to alter the champ series to accomidate other
seasonal events. That is the reason for the fleet captain choice of total
control below.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>If a race is declassified, there would be no reason to award
average points. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>Not for that race - this is
true</FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff> </FONT><BR>I do not think it
makes sense at the begining of the season to not schedule a champ race against a
NA's or World's however, since there is no gaurantee that a member of our fleet
will go, or if they do, neccessarily care about their standing in the
series. I think it makes sense in this situation for the fleet captain to
take the apporpriate action.</FONT><FONT size=2><BR><BR>Unless I'm completely
missing the point? Was there another reason for item 3 on this list?
The situation last year at the end of the season, in my mind, would have fallen
under the guise of a NA's and would have been to the discresion of the fleet
captain to de-classify because most of the fleet was still reeling from hosting
the NA's.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>In certain circumstances we might want to
encourage participation by altering the schedule to accomidate NA's or
Worlds. This merely gives us the flexibility to do that.</FONT>
<BR><BR>Despite my views, I still laud the attempt to get this stuff down on
paper and presented and voted on by the fleet. Please don't take my
comments as an attempt to create chaos. I still think it is a better idea
to have a rule that we can work with than to have random musings and no basis
for direction.<BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR>--- Pat Kabris <pkabris@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:<BR><BR>> Were these rules discussed and made by motion at an open
forum (fleet<BR>> <BR>> meeting) as they should
be?? These options seem to imply that <BR>>
there are no other choices. Who was the author??<BR>><BR>> I
think the option for a Fleet Captain to act as his/her discretion on<BR>>
which races may be counted is far too broad with no apparent<BR>>
limitations. This may be appropriate under some circumstances but
not<BR>> as a 'carte blanche' policy.<BR>><BR>> And the email I
received does not bylaws attached.<BR>><BR>> Cheers,<BR>> Pat
Kabris<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:45 PM, George
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Notice of Vote<BR>> > Official Ballot - Fleet
# 1 Bylaws<BR>> > Voting Deadline - April 29/2007 – 12pm (noon)<BR>>
><BR>> > Attached please find Notice of Vote/Official Ballot and J22
Fleet #<BR>> <BR>> > 1 Bylaws documents. We are voting on 3
issues within the newly<BR>> > adopted J22 Fleet # 1 Bylaws - see attached
and below.<BR>> ><BR>> > Rules and Eligibility:<BR>> > For the
purposes of voting on the Bylaws or Elections, each boat<BR>> > shall be
entitled to one vote and may designate a proxy. A ballot<BR>><BR>>
> shall be distributed to all Voting Members via email and/or in<BR>> >
person 14 days prior to the election or voting date. No votes
will<BR>> <BR>> > be accepted after the voting deadline as set by
the fleet captain.<BR>> <BR>> > A simple majority shall carry the
decision. All votes shall be<BR>> > tabulated by the J22 Fleet #1
Captain.<BR>> > Modifications to these by-laws may be proposed by any
Voting Member<BR>> <BR>> > and voted on at the annual meeting
only. A majority of Voting<BR>> > Members or their proxies must have
responded to the vote to approve<BR>> <BR>> > a change.<BR>>
><BR>> > Voting Deadline:<BR>> > This election is being conducted
via email. Notice of Vote/<BR>> > Election and Ballot will be
distributed by email. All ballots shall<BR>> > be returned to the
Fleet Captain no later that April 29, 2007<BR>> <BR>> > at 12:00pm
(noon). Any Voting member that is unable to return
your<BR>> <BR>> > ballot via email may contact the Fleet Captain
to make special<BR>> > arrangements to deliver your ballot. All
ballots are due by April<BR>><BR>> > 29, 2007 at 12:00pm (noon) - no
exceptions.<BR>> ><BR>> > Contact: For information contact
George Hansen, e-mail<BR>> > george@pcspeed.com or phone (612)
940-2702<BR>> ><BR>> > Official Ballot:<BR>> ><BR>> >
Place a capital “X” next to the option you are voting in favor
of.<BR>> <BR>> > Please fill out the bottom of the ballot
completely.<BR>> ><BR>> > Average Points -<BR>> > _____Option
#1 –<BR>> > o Average points
shall only be awarded for International or<BR>><BR>> > National
sanctioned J22 events (Worlds & North Americans).<BR>> >
o Average scores will count for Fleet
Season Championship <BR>> > Series purposes only, not individual
series<BR>> ><BR>> > _____Option #2 –<BR>> >
o Average points shall be awarded for
regattas that have a <BR>> > stated J22 class, racing as
one-design.<BR>> > o No more
than five average scores will be given to one <BR>> > yacht within a
calendar season.<BR>> > o
Average scores will count for Fleet Season Championship <BR>> >
Series purposes only, not individual series<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
> Calculating Average Points<BR>> ><BR>> > _____Option #1
–<BR>> > o Average points shall
be calculated based on RRS A10(a). <BR>> > Points equal to the
average, to the nearest tenth of a point, of her<BR>> > points in all the
races in the series (A, B, C, G, T, M & MYC Champ<BR>> > series)
except the race in question.<BR>> > _____Option #2 –<BR>> >
o Average points shall be calculated
based on RRS A10(b). <BR>> > Points equal to the average, to
the nearest tenth of a point (0.05<BR>><BR>> > to be rounded upward),
of her points in all the races of that series<BR>> > (A, B, C, G, T, M
& MYC Champ series) before the race in question.<BR>> > Fleet Captain
Option<BR>> > · The Fleet
Captain may at his or her discretion designate<BR>><BR>> > races as
non-championship races for certain events.<BR>> > _____YEA<BR>> >
_____NAY<BR>> ><BR>> > J22 Hull
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Voting <BR>> >
Member:
Date:<BR>> > <Notice Of Vote.doc><BR>> > <J22 Fleet # 1
Bylaws - Final.doc><BR>> >
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