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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Sean. The boat owers have way
more invested.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org
[mailto:j22-bounces@lists.wyc.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>sean hendrickson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:06
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> dallas; j22@lists.wyc.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [J22-Fleet 1]
**Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I respectfully disagree- Voting should only be
retained for boat owners. <br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: "dallas" <dallas@dallasjohnson.net><br>
Sent 4/23/2007 2:39:26 PM<br>
To: j22@lists.wyc.org<br>
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007 -
12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>If someone is willing to pay dues to the local class and the national class, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>letting them vote seems like a good idea. Something to consider for the next <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>vote that's on the table.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>dj<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "John Dyer" <dyer.john@slpschools.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <msbowers@alum.mit.edu>; <j22@lists.wyc.org><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:12 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> George and Friends,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> This discussion has been great. Obviously a lot of energy out there to <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> make<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> the J22 fleet even better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> My 2 cents worth is that rather than restrict voting to boat owners,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> wouldn't it encourage participation to allow a vote to WYC members who are<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> also J22 class members? I think the input of non-boat owners such Jon<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Noller, Kurt Holtze, Mike Bowers, Billy Allen, Robbie Evans, Kevin Kenney<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> and others is valuable. Valuable enough to deserve a vote.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> The J22 is not a starter boat. Racers frequently, if not typically, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> migrate<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> from other fleets to the boat: Lars from Lasers, Billy from E Scows, Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> from Snipes & Tech Dingys, Thorn from Scows, Dallas from Capri 25's, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> That migration frequently leads to a middle or bow position and perhaps a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> chance to steer now and again. This builds the fleet with talent and <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> future<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> boat owners.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> So let's take the long view and continue to encourage that migration and <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> let<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> middle and bow folks, as well as prospective racers, know we value their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> input and that they can have a voice in the direction of the fleet. For <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> most<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> of them it's just the extra $45 for the J22 membership. Win-win.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> John<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> On 4/19/07 10:57 AM, "Michael Bowers" <msbowers_55431@yahoo.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Being a relative new comer to the fleet, I view the Combined Fleet 1<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> series as the real fleet championship.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>That series has lots of races<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> and only spans 5 weeks.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It has the best wind and most consistent<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> participation.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>In terms of competition, that series has become the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> focus for our boat and I think we should do everything we can to keep<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> that series going.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> A hint to winning the WYC championship, it is an attendance race.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> However, it takes a lot more than just showing up.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You've got to find<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> the best sailors for your team, get them to become Senior or Family<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> members of WYC and train with them so they can fill in as driver when<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> you're out of town on the family vacation for 3 weekends.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Average<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> points for the one or two weekends for an NAs isn't going to be as big<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> a factor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Some may argue that bringing in "Ringers" is unfair, but I would argue<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> that it brings the best sailors into our fleet, encourages crews to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> upgrade their memberships and has proven to heighten the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> competitiveness of our fleet.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I for one love seeing Noeller or Nils at<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> the helm, racing against the college hotshots that are home for the odd<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> weekend, or seeing a J24 or E boat sailor grabbing the tiller.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Winning<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> the WYC championship is even more a 'team' victory than a typical<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> regatta.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> To sum up, I'm still not a fan of average points.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You shouldn't get a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> finish position for a race where you didn't compete.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>However, if it<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> eases people's concerns for their standings and allows them to travel<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> off the lake, then I would cede that point.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>As I said, it really won't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> change anything--just as drop races in regattas don't, but for some<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> reason people still love them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Eh, too much thinking.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>See you all at the Ice Breaker.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>By the way,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Laser racing started last night, and it was a blast!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> __________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Do You Yahoo!?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> Tired of spam?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <a href="http://mail.yahoo.com"
target="_blank">http://mail.yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> J22 mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> J22@lists.wyc.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>> <a
href="http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22" target="_blank">http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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