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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Beth,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It was disappointing to see the J-22s have only 5 boats at the MYC Sat. Fleet #1 champ races 2 weeks ago and only 10 last Saturday. That program was designed to have J22 sailors give up 5 weekend to race J-22s and get in 15 high quality champ races. That is the “more sailing fewer days” you refer to below, but they didn’t show up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In a sense I have started the committee you are referring to by putting this out and asking the fleets captains to talk to their fleets and any one to respond to me. That is the brain storming, but it is by email and not a meeting at the club or a select group. The idea is that in this way we can ferret out what people want. I was think of making a distribution list of those who respond to continue brain storming.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Part of the piece below made available the idea that maybe the J-22s would prefer to run as many races as possible in Wayzata Bay only on certain days and make that their Champ Series. Maybe they would like to run WB Races on the 5 Sundays that the Fleet 1 races are at MYC on Saturday. That could be 5 weekends (focus) with 2 Races at MYC on Sat. and 3 to 5 races at WYC on Sunday in the Bay. Maybe as many as 30 races in 5 weekends, 10 days of rigging and unrigging. That would be focus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding MYC: I was more thinking that people wanted to kick MYC out on Saturdays and the whole WYC fleet of 125 boats would take over. They have all of their fleets racing champ races on Sat. AM up until regatta time in early August. We could work something out after the MYC boats go to the regattas, but that would interfere with what is a growing BI Series with children. What could we do to build the BI with children.? Its starting without us doing anything special. How about a kids picnic after certain BI races and score it differently? We also have many WYC racers racing at MYC and to make them make a choice or to have some WYC boat not have their regular crew due to the conflict might be tough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Keep the ideas coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Beth Frampton [mailto:beth.frampton@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bert Foster<br><b>Cc:</b> Terry Foster<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [J22-Fleet 1] Ideas to Increaser Participation on Sundays<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi Bert,<br><br>Thank you for sending your thoughts. What I am hearing from members is that they want <u>more </u>sailing on <u>fewer </u>days. I'm afraid that simply adding additional races on Sunday is not going to solve the problem. Those who are already participating may or may not stick around for a second race, and those who are not currently racing will not start coming out. <br><br>I had hoped that with a committee, we could do some brainstorming and come up with some new ideas. At this point, I hate to hear you say that anything is 'impossible'. MYC is also struggling with participation, and maybe we can find ways to share the course and build both programs. Maybe it won't work, but I think it is too early to take it off the table. Just because something has been done for 100 years doesn't mean it has to continue that way. <br><br>Regards,<br>Beth<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Bert Foster <<a href="mailto:Bert@apexq.com" target="_blank">Bert@apexq.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Fleet Captains and some WYC Sailors,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If your fleet isn’t in the address line, please forward this to your fleet. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>There have been many comments about this subject in the survey, emails, and postings on Facebook.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Some History and Thoughts to Keep in Mind</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The Race Committee is charged with establishing the schedule and recommending it to the Board of Directors for approval.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The RC is to establish a racing program for the “ENTIRE YACHT CLUB”, and to try to meet the needs and desires of each Fleet.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The WYC is not going to get the Main Lake away from the MYC on Sunday morning. They have had it for 100+ years. There are many sailors who sail at both clubs. And motorboat chop is much harder on scows than keel boats.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>4.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Many of the WYC race officers work the MYC races and many WYC sailors race in the MYC Sunday morning races. They both had a hard time getting from the MYC race to the 1:30 WYC race. So, we moved it to 2:00. Also the wind is sometimes better later in the day.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>5.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Running 2 Main Lake Sunday races back to back with all the fleets is not practical. The RC would need to wait up to 60+ minutes for the last boat to finish, then reset the course, then have a “start sequence” for all fleets which would take an additional 24 minutes. When we tried 2 races BTB we had half the fleets one Sunday and the other half the next Sunday.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>6.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We changed it back because a Sunday Fleet could go a month without any racing. If you only raced Sundays and you were to race on the 1<sup>st</sup> & 3<sup>rd</sup> Sundays of the Month and the 3<sup>rd</sup> Sunday was called off (no wind) you would not race until the 1<sup>st</sup> Sunday of the next month.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>7.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On most Sundays, Wayzata Bay is available to race on. It is very good for many short races with a smaller number of boats. Maybe up to 30 boats, but a problem with 50+ boats. So, one, two, or three fleets could race a second or even a third or fourth race in the Bay on Sunday.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>8.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Historically the WYC has had a “window of time” or a time slot for the races so members could plan their time. If you planned a family dinner Sunday evening, you don’t want the races to go into the evening. It is different for Regattas where you plan to race until late if there is a need to get in the races.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Possibilities</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If some fleets want more races on Sunday we could complete the regular Sunday Main Lake races for the A Series with all fleets, and then take some fleets into Wayzata Bay for a NEW SERIES and have the mark boat run a group of short races with center start even while other fleets are finishing the Main Lake races. We could give those fleets a short Main Lake course so they could get to Wayzata Bay early. They would usually be over by the time we came in from running a Champ race on the main lake. If some fleets wanted to skip some Sunday Main Lake Champ races, we could start them as early as 1:00 in Wayzata Bay, with a third committee boat and Race Officer (more expense), but only when WCSC doesn’t have a Sunday regatta. We need to keep in mind that the WCSC runs regattas in Wayzata Bay some weekends.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We probably want to maintain the current Sunday Champ Race starting sequence in order to preserve separation of the boats and quality racing for the entire club.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Conclusion & Process</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The RC could run some fleets more Sunday races on specific Sundays if they want them. The fleets need to discuss what they would like for their fleet. Feel free to email me or discuss this with me at the Club. We can put together some program and have the BOD review it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bert Foster</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>RC Chair WYC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>H <a href="tel:952-473-2240" target="_blank">952-473-2240</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>C <a href="tel:612-281-9999" target="_blank">612-281-9999</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>J22 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:J22@lists.wyc.org">J22@lists.wyc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22" target="_blank">http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Beth Frampton<br><a href="mailto:beth.frampton@gmail.com">beth.frampton@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>