[Sonar] 2006 Great Lakes Sonar regatta- Maybe it's time to host at
WYC
Chuck Bangasser
Chuck at BestTechnologyInc.com
Fri Oct 7 13:51:09 CDT 2005
Following our last race at Lake Geneva I talked with several Lake Geneva
skippers and they expressed and interest in coming to WYC next year for the
event now that we have a crane. We may want to ask Ron (Woody) how many of
their boats would make the trip if we hosted it next year. If there is 3-5
boats that would make the trip it would be a nice change to allow all of our
fleet to participate next year. Is there any interest and could someone
contact Ron to see how many of their boats would make the trip.
We should investigate this before we ink in the final 2006 schedule for next
year.
Chuck
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:11:58 -0500
From: Mark Kochendorfer <markoch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
To: Ernest Brody <epbrody at earthlink.net>
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1) I would like to weigh my boat at take out this fall after the frostbite
if it is not too much trouble. I have a lifting strap and guy wires, but I
don't know how to use them. Also what does one leave on the boat and what
gets taken off?
2) I made a few bailer seals out of a mouse pad. I think there are one or
two more in my toolbox if anyone wants to see. Water still weeps in slowly,
so they must not seal as well as the ones that Jim sells (he did not have
any on the day I was buying). In my boat, the water only comes in until
there is a cup or two in the bailer wells. It does not seem to run around
on the cockpit floor, so I am satisfied with my solution. I only open the
bailers after the boat takes water over the side.
Mark
Ernest Brody wrote:
>1) If we want to weigh boats I think we still have the old MORC scale
>in store room. It would be simple to hang it on the crane. It weighs
>to +/- 50 lb and we can estimate to 25. It'll give us a good idea.
>
>2) On the bailer subject. I replace my bailer seals religiously
>(blessings and all) and have no leakage. The seals are expensive. Jim
>Johnson at Seven Seas carries them. However, the one guy in the
>country who makes the seals may be giving up the business and Jim was
>thinking of buying the equipment. I'll find out what the status is. I
>also like the idea (I think it was Chuck or Mark) of cutting them out
>of mouse pad. I know the techniques of gluing them in.
>
>3) Let's see if we can get Shepstone again.
>
>4) Congratulations to John and Marty and their crews.
>
>Ernest
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org
>[mailto:sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org]On
>Behalf Of Henry Brantingham
>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:23 PM
>To: Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com; 'FRANK or CJ'
>Cc: sonar at lists.wyc.org; sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org
>Subject: RE: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
>
>
>Tom:
>
>We did weigh the boats a few of years ago, I think when the Great Lakes
>were held here -- and I do remember that my old boat (24) was a bit on
>the porky side, and I know for sure that the sole of the cockpit is
>usually awash with a full complement of crew.
>
>HB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org]
>On Behalf Of Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:50 AM
>To: FRANK or CJ
>Cc: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org; sonar at lists.wyc.org
>Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
>
>
>I would be glad to help facilitate that and would pitch in on an air
>ticket. We're probably too far away from the lake to reasonably put
>them up, but would be willing to do so.
>
>Tally Ho! needs all the help it can get!
>
>Another subject as long as I've disturbed the email peace:
>
>There has been some discussion about the Siedelman hulls being heavier
>as evidenced by water that comes in from the bailers (when they leak) and
>keeps the floor of the cockpit wet when the crew is aboard. This does
>not happen on the Ontario boats as evidenced by #464. One reason that
>this does not happen however is that 464's cockpit floor is 1.25 inches
>shallower than the Siedelman cockpit and the bailer sump is also 1.25
>inches deeper(from the cockpit floor). When measuring the water level
>from the bottom of the bailer with the bailer open, I was not able to
>tell the difference in the level between the Siedelman and Ontario boat
>measured.
>
>In other words, the difference in weight (there probably is some) is
>not ascertainable by the water in the bottom of the cockpit on the
>Sidelman boats. The apparent difference is due to a design difference
>in the boat itself.
>
>It would be very interesting to be able to weigh a boat from the crane
>in the future.
>
>
>Thomas Brown
>"Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
>
>
>
>FRANK or CJ <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
>Sent by: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org
>10/05/2005 07:39 PM
>
>To
>sonar at lists.wyc.org
>cc
>
>Subject
>[Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>The recent Sonar Regatta at Lake Geneva was a good experience for most
>all of the 22 of us that went down there this year. It was great to
>see that WYC sailors could compete successfully on someone elses "private"
>lake. There were many exciting events that occurred for us - several on
>the race course, and a few on the parking lot !!
>
>As you all know, while we were sailing at Lake Geneva, Steve Shepstone
>was sailing in the English Channel and winning the Sonar World's !
>Several of you know him. Those of you that were in the Sonar Fleet #5 a
>few years back will recall we had Steve and Melissa Shepstone with us
>for a weekend "seminar" of Sonar sailing tips, both on the water and in the
clubhouse.
>Plus of course the added social activities in the evenings.
>
>We had some brief discussion this past weekend of doing a similar event
>near the beginning of next year's sailing season. CJ and I were
>involved with in some of the organization and implementation of this the
last time.
>We're now in Arizona for the winter -will only be back in Minnesota or
>a few holiday vacation days bewteen now & May 1st.- so won't be of much
>help
>
>So ......... 1) Are there again some people back there in the Sonar
>Fleet willing to help work on such a sailing seminar?? 2) Survey the
>fleet for interest? 3) Contact the Shepstones? with (Congratulations
>to Steve) about their willingness to do it again? (The last time it
>was for the price of an airline ticket for Melissa, food and lodging in
>someone's home , and a little hospitality). If anyone want to do this,
>I think it would be a good activity in which the entire fleet can
>benefit - it would be enjoyable as well as instructive for all.
>
>If anyone wants any more info or help or suggestions from what we
>learned last time, please get back to me. Hopefully, some of you will
>pick this up and run with it.
>
>Frank_______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:25:35 -0500
From: "J.R. \(home\)" <johnrainaldi at myrealbox.com>
Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
To: "Sonar Fleet 5" <sonar at lists.wyc.org>
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A few have responded or I have talked with about the idea of bringing
Shepstones in for a sailing seminar;
Frank & CJ, Tom B, Ernest, John S, Chuck & Cheryl, Ernest, Marty, JR &
Becca, Dave.
I will be happy to contact Steve and Melissa about the Idea without
committing to anything.
Steve has some business in Milwaukee and last time he coordinated a trip to
WYC with his business to help keep our costs down.
After the banquet If it sounds like we are in agreement we can work on the
some of the details and a general timeframe.
As soon as we get the 2006 schedule we can get more specific with a couple
of date options that work around the WYC spring events.
J.R.
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From: "Chuck Bangasser" <Chuck at BestTechnologyInc.com>
To: <sonar at lists.wyc.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: [Sonar] RE: Sonar Digest, Vol 2,Issue 5- Sailing seminar (Chuck
Bangasser)
> In response to Frank's email regarding a spring Sonar training seminar,
> Cheryl and I would be happy to assist including lodging in our Plymouth
> home. We can also assist with any other activities as needed. Great idea
> Frank! Now, who knows them well enough (Frank/CJ?) to extend the
> invitation
> and see if they are interested.
>
> Chuck & Cheryl (Happy Hours)
>
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> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:45:00 -0500
> From: Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
> Subject: [Sonar] Second hand sails
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> As most of you know, the sails for #40 are going to be donated to a good
> cause this winter and I'll be looking at a new set.
>
> #40's sails are not even a good backup set however and will disappear. I
> do
> want to have another backup set for training or gear buster days. I would
> like to inquire if there is someone willing to sell a backup main
> and jib....perhaps one of the new North Sails owners. I think I
> already have my hooks on a spinnaker, although I've not tried it yet.
>
>
>
> Thomas Brown
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> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: FRANK or CJ <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
> Subject: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
> To: sonar at lists.wyc.org
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> The recent Sonar Regatta at Lake Geneva was a good experience for most
> all
> of the 22 of us that went down there this year. It was great to see that
> WYC sailors could compete successfully on someone elses "private" lake.
> There were many exciting events that occurred for us - several on the race
> course, and a few on the parking lot !!
>
> As you all know, while we were sailing at Lake Geneva, Steve Shepstone was
> sailing in the English Channel and winning the Sonar World's ! Several of
> you know him. Those of you that were in the Sonar Fleet #5 a few years
> back
> will recall we had Steve and Melissa Shepstone with us for a weekend
> "seminar" of Sonar sailing tips, both on the water and in the clubhouse.
> Plus of course the added social activities in the evenings.
>
> We had some brief discussion this past weekend of doing a similar event
> near
> the beginning of next year's sailing season. CJ and I were involved with
> in
> some of the organization and implementation of this the last time. We're
> now
> in Arizona for the winter -will only be back in Minnesota or a few holiday
> vacation days bewteen now & May 1st.- so won't be of much help
>
> So ......... 1) Are there again some people back there in the Sonar Fleet
> willing to help work on such a sailing seminar?? 2) Survey the fleet for
> interest? 3) Contact the Shepstones? with (Congratulations to Steve)
> about
> their willingness to do it again? (The last time it was for the price of
> an
> airline ticket for Melissa, food and lodging in someone's home , and a
> little hospitality). If anyone want to do this, I think it would be a
> good
> activity in which the entire fleet can benefit - it would be enjoyable as
> well as instructive for all.
>
> If anyone wants any more info or help or suggestions from what we learned
> last time, please get back to me. Hopefully, some of you will pick this
> up
> and run with it.
>
> Frank
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> From: Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
> Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
> To: FRANK or CJ <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
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> I would be glad to help facilitate that and would pitch in on an air
> ticket. We're probably too far away from the lake to reasonably put
> them up, but would be willing to do so.
>
> Tally Ho! needs all the help it can get!
>
> Another subject as long as I've disturbed the email peace:
>
> There has been some discussion about the Siedelman hulls being heavier as
> evidenced by water that comes in from the bailers (when they leak) and
> keeps the floor of the cockpit wet when the crew is aboard. This does
> not happen on the Ontario boats as evidenced by #464. One reason that
> this does not happen however is that 464's cockpit floor is 1.25 inches
> shallower than the Siedelman cockpit and the bailer sump is also 1.25
> inches
> deeper(from the cockpit floor). When measuring the water level
> from the bottom of the bailer with the bailer open, I was not able to
> tell the difference in the level between the Siedelman and Ontario boat
> measured.
>
> In other words, the difference in weight (there probably is some) is
> not ascertainable by the water in the bottom of the cockpit on the
> Sidelman boats. The apparent difference is due to a design difference
> in the boat itself.
>
> It would be very interesting to be able to weigh a boat from the crane in
> the future.
>
>
> Thomas Brown
> "Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
>
>
>
> FRANK or CJ <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
> Sent by: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org
> 10/05/2005 07:39 PM
>
> To
> sonar at lists.wyc.org
> cc
>
> Subject
> [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The recent Sonar Regatta at Lake Geneva was a good experience for most
> all of the 22 of us that went down there this year. It was great to see
> that WYC sailors could compete successfully on someone elses "private"
> lake. There were many exciting events that occurred for us - several on
> the race course, and a few on the parking lot !!
>
> As you all know, while we were sailing at Lake Geneva, Steve Shepstone was
> sailing in the English Channel and winning the Sonar World's ! Several of
> you know him. Those of you that were in the Sonar Fleet #5 a few years
> back will recall we had Steve and Melissa Shepstone with us for a weekend
> "seminar" of Sonar sailing tips, both on the water and in the clubhouse.
> Plus of course the added social activities in the evenings.
>
> We had some brief discussion this past weekend of doing a similar event
> near the beginning of next year's sailing season. CJ and I were involved
> with in some of the organization and implementation of this the last time.
> We're now in Arizona for the winter -will only be back in Minnesota or a
> few holiday vacation days bewteen now & May 1st.- so won't be of much help
>
> So ......... 1) Are there again some people back there in the Sonar Fleet
> willing to help work on such a sailing seminar?? 2) Survey the fleet for
> interest? 3) Contact the Shepstones? with (Congratulations to Steve)
> about their willingness to do it again? (The last time it was for the
> price of an airline ticket for Melissa, food and lodging in someone's home
> , and a little hospitality). If anyone want to do this, I think it would
> be a good activity in which the entire fleet can benefit - it would be
> enjoyable as well as instructive for all.
>
> If anyone wants any more info or help or suggestions from what we learned
> last time, please get back to me. Hopefully, some of you will pick this
> up and run with it.
>
> Frank_______________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:02:55 -0500
> From: "John Sligh" <jsligh at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
> To: "Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com" <Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com>,
> "FRANK or CJ" <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
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> Tom,
> When our (464) bailers are closed water does leak through and fill the
> cockpit. So if I want a dry boat I need to open the bailers to drain
> water
> out. I don't think its a Sidelman vs. Ontario issue with the bailers.
> It's a Sonar bailer issue that causes the leakage. Ernie has a
> recommended
> fix on how to make sure the bailers don't leak. Perhaps he can respond to
> this email and advise on how to fix so that in the spring we can all have
> dry cockpits.
>
> John
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: <Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com>
>> To: FRANK or CJ <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
>> Cc: <sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org>; <sonar at lists.wyc.org>
>> Date: 10/6/2005 8:50:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
>>
>>
>> I would be glad to help facilitate that and would pitch in on an air
>> ticket. We're probably too far away from the lake to reasonably put
>> them up, but would be willing to do so.
>>
>> Tally Ho! needs all the help it can get!
>>
>> Another subject as long as I've disturbed the email peace:
>>
>> There has been some discussion about the Siedelman hulls being heavier as
>> evidenced by water that comes in from the bailers (when they leak) and
>> keeps the floor of the cockpit wet when the crew is aboard. This does
>> not happen on the Ontario boats as evidenced by #464. One reason that
>> this does not happen however is that 464's cockpit floor is 1.25 inches
>> shallower than the Siedelman cockpit and the bailer sump is also 1.25
>> inches deeper(from the cockpit floor). When measuring the water level
>> from the bottom of the bailer with the bailer open, I was not able to
>> tell the difference in the level between the Siedelman and Ontario boat
>> measured.
>>
>> In other words, the difference in weight (there probably is some) is
>> not ascertainable by the water in the bottom of the cockpit on the
>> Sidelman boats. The apparent difference is due to a design difference
>> in the boat itself.
>>
>> It would be very interesting to be able to weigh a boat from the crane in
>> the future.
>>
>>
>> Thomas Brown
>> "Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
>>
>>
>>
>> FRANK or CJ <rainaldi at prodigy.net>
>> Sent by: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org
>> 10/05/2005 07:39 PM
>>
>> To
>> sonar at lists.wyc.org
>> cc
>>
>> Subject
>> [Sonar] 2006 Sailing "Seminar"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The recent Sonar Regatta at Lake Geneva was a good experience for most
>> all of the 22 of us that went down there this year. It was great to see
>> that WYC sailors could compete successfully on someone elses "private"
>> lake. There were many exciting events that occurred for us - several on
>> the race course, and a few on the parking lot !!
>>
>> As you all know, while we were sailing at Lake Geneva, Steve Shepstone
> was
>> sailing in the English Channel and winning the Sonar World's ! Several
> of
>> you know him. Those of you that were in the Sonar Fleet #5 a few years
>> back will recall we had Steve and Melissa Shepstone with us for a weekend
>> "seminar" of Sonar sailing tips, both on the water and in the clubhouse.
>> Plus of course the added social activities in the evenings.
>>
>> We had some brief discussion this past weekend of doing a similar event
>> near the beginning of next year's sailing season. CJ and I were involved
>> with in some of the organization and implementation of this the last
> time.
>> We're now in Arizona for the winter -will only be back in Minnesota or a
>> few holiday vacation days bewteen now & May 1st.- so won't be of much
>> help
>>
>> So ......... 1) Are there again some people back there in the Sonar Fleet
>> willing to help work on such a sailing seminar?? 2) Survey the fleet for
>> interest? 3) Contact the Shepstones? with (Congratulations to Steve)
>> about their willingness to do it again? (The last time it was for the
>> price of an airline ticket for Melissa, food and lodging in someone's
> home
>> , and a little hospitality). If anyone want to do this, I think it would
>> be a good activity in which the entire fleet can benefit - it would be
>> enjoyable as well as instructive for all.
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>> last time, please get back to me. Hopefully, some of you will pick this
>> up and run with it.
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