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href="http://www.taylormadegroup.com/catfold/pdffiles/pg11_20.pdf">http://www.taylormadegroup.com/catfold/pdffiles/pg11_20.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.rolyanbuoys.com/BuoyCatalog03.pdf">http://www.rolyanbuoys.com/BuoyCatalog03.pdf</a>
- see page 15<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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- see page 3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I found 4 different manufacturers that all
say the same thing: The ring on top of the buoy is only a place to attach
the pennant while the boat is not moored. The above links have nice
drawings that illustrate the same. I would hazard a guess that a
large number of club members are not aware of this (based on past observation).
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>952.887.8697 (Direct)</span></font><font
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sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Kochendorfer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:32
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org;
sonar@lists.wyc.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Possible Spam?? Re:
[Sonar] Thanks everyone who helped</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is a surprise to me
too. Maybe the club should buy the buoys that let you carry the block
chain up through a tube in the center.<br>
<br>
Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 5/4/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'><a
href="mailto:Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com">Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com</a></span></b>
<<a href="mailto:Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com">Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I found a reference about the buoy ring....I was surprised.<br>
<br>
If you look at the 2005 West Marine catalog, page 750 it states
about the<br>
ring buoy:<br>
<br>
"The pennant from the boat attaches to the mooring chain under the buoy, <br>
never to the top ring"<br>
<br>
I interpret from this that not only should the pennant not be hooked to<br>
the top of the buoy, but also that the pennant should be attached<br>
directly to the anchor chain and not to the buoy ring. <br>
<br>
On our buoy, the anchor chain was attached to the lower
buoy ring, and<br>
the pennant was also attached to the same ring. The weak point of
the<br>
whole system then was the lower buoy ring. I think that's what the
West <br>
warning is about. If the West Marine statement is
accurate (and they<br>
seem to be emphatic about it since it is right in the purchase blurb) then<br>
the pennant and anchor chain should be connected as one contiguous unit <br>
and the buoy should not be part of the energy transfer function at<br>
all....just attached separately.<br>
<br>
It seems subtle, but all it takes is some adverse repeated movement
to<br>
cause chafing, even of steel, to cause a failure of the
whole system <br>
over time.<br>
<br>
I think its worth asking an expert from the buoy company.<br>
<br>
Thomas Brown<br>
"Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"Mark Kochendorfer" <<a href="mailto:markoch@gmail.com"> markoch@gmail.com</a>><br>
Sent by: <a href="mailto:sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org">sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org</a><br>
05/04/2006 09:51 AM<br>
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To<br>
"<a href="mailto:Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com">Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com
</a>" <<a href="mailto:Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com">Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com</a>><br>
cc<br>
<a href="mailto:sonar@lists.wyc.org">sonar@lists.wyc.org</a><br>
Subject<br>
Re: [Sonar] Thanks everyone who helped <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Glad to help and glad there was no major damage.<br>
<br>
I am quite concerned about my boat as well. I can inspect the
visible<br>
parts of the buoy system, but only the club staff can lift the mooring up <br>
and verify that it all is sound down to the block. When I spoke with<br>
Steve Bren it sounded like my buoy at least had been inspected. I
wonder<br>
how this was missed on yours. It seems like moorings break or move
more <br>
often than they should. What is the maintenance program?<br>
<br>
I had always understood that the top ring should be used to moor the<br>
boats. The reason for this is that under heavy load the buoy gets<br>
submerged by the load pulling on the top ring down through the block. This <br>
acts as another shock absorber and also kind of a reverse
sentinel. If<br>
you moor to the bottom of the float you will not get this effect.<br>
<br>
So my recommendation is to always moor to the top ring and run a safety <br>
line from the top ring down to the chain (or block if you can get there).<br>
There is less chafe and rot on your mooring line this way too.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Liberty</st1:place></st1:City><br>
<br>
On 5/4/06, <a href="mailto:Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com">Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com</a>
< <a href="mailto:Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com">Thomas_M_Brown@bluecrossmn.com</a><br>
> wrote:<br>
Thanks to everyone who helped get Tally Ho! off of the beach after<br>
breaking from her mooring. <br>
<br>
<br>
The lower buoy ring gave way yesterday and the boat drifted to essentially<br>
the only sandy area in the whole bay. We were lucky.
Very little and<br>
superficial damage seems to be evident. The funny thing is, is that
I <br>
had checked the bouy ring the night before and was worried about it and<br>
was on my way to the boat Wednesday with reinforcement when Ernie called<br>
me and said that the boat had come loose. Wouldn't you
know, it gives <br>
<br>
way right at the time that we were thinking about it.<br>
<br>
Those of you on moorings should really check the lower ring of the bouy to<br>
see how much it has worn. Mine was almost paper thin
when I checked it<br>
Tuesday night. Its also can wear at the shackle to the
weight itself at<br>
<br>
the lower end, but more slowly. Both should be
checked. Most of these<br>
shackles are made with hot dipped galvanized low carbon steel which wears <br>
pretty quickly when compared to stainless.<br>
<br>
The other thing that is important about bouys that I've seen at the club<br>
is that its important to connect the pennant to the bottom ring of the<br>
bouy...never the top. The top ring is purely for pickup
purposes. Its <br>
my opinion that some of the increased wear on the lower ring on the bouy I<br>
<br>
was on was caused by the pivot tipping of the bouy caused by the pennant<br>
attached at the top, which slowly but surely wore away the bottom
ring. <br>
<br>
At Falmouth Forside (ME) we used a different bouy type that allowed the<br>
chain to go completely through the bouy, had a large D ring at top (for<br>
pickup only) and had a special collar at both ends that
eliminated this <br>
wear on the lower 'ring'. The pennant was
anchor shackled to the<br>
chain underneath the mooring bouy and a pennant was fold over hitched to<br>
give a double pennant which was then attached all the way to the mast <br>
(both of them). If the harbor master didn't see that you
had this<br>
double pennant, or if you had a pennant to the top part of the bouy,
you<br>
usually got a little lecture on the trip in from the boat on the tender <br>
(we had ferry service tender there rather than canoes
etc.). There,<br>
the bouy fields were so large that most of the $$ damage from a loose boat<br>
was not from the boat itself, but all the boats that it
hit as it <br>
drifted out of the bouy field. They were pretty sensitive to
drifting<br>
boats. <st1:City w:st="on">Marblehead</st1:City> (<st1:place w:st="on">Eastern
YC</st1:place>) has a really famous story about this and<br>
Courageous, the old 12 meter.<br>
<br>
I would just hate to see this happen to another boat when it could be <br>
prevented....and also we were VERY lucky...it wasn't in a bad storm with a<br>
<br>
lot of waves, our mast didn't get damaged in any low hanging
trees, and<br>
the wind direction was perfect to have the boat drift to the only sandy <br>
area in the whole bay.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thomas Brown<br>
"Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"<br>
<br>
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