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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘Believe’ votes no to lifts but
understands the need to foster a culture where fleet 5 can send credible representatives
to off-site regattas. This need is in conflict with the need to keep the
barriers to Sonar and WYC membership low. I feel the question the fleet needs
to resolve is that now that we have grown to an approximately a 20 boat fleet
have we reached a size that we can switch the priority from membership to level
of performance? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the answer is yes then we need to push
to get more fleet boats ready to compete against outside boats both on local
and foreign waters (investing in equipment like lifts and personnel). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the answer is no then we need to keep pushing
to make more quality boats available while still keeping the barriers to entry
as low as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It seems the effect of Bert’s
proposal would be to set up a JV/Varsity situation where there would be
slightly different rules for the ‘traveling’ team. I’m not against
this concept but we need to have the numbers to support the shift and it should
be a conscious decision by the fleet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>IMHO we need to be patient and keep the
focus on growth. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>P.S. Sorry to miss the party...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Sligh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, January 04, 2009
11:00 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Mark Kochendorfer; Bert Foster<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> sonar<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Sonar] 2 Subjects to
Think About</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mark, I'm
not interested in buying a lift and adding more expense to my sailing
habit. John<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original Message----- <br>
From: Mark Kochendorfer <br>
<MARKOCH@GMAIL.COM>Sent: Jan 3, 2009 8:50 AM <br>
To: Bert Foster <br>
<BERT@APEXQ.COM>Cc: sonar <br>
<SONAR@LISTS.WYC.ORG>Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2 Subjects to Think About <br>
<br>
Thanks for getting the ball rolling on the 2010 NAs. Has <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Geneva</st1:place></st1:City> also put in a bid to have this race? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>With regards to Dry Sailing, I would like
to know what boats are interested in converting to a boat lift. I know I
am not. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Is there another boat beyond 757 that
would take advantage of this? Gusto, Surly Angel, Encore, <st1:Street
w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Sesame St</st1:address></st1:Street> are the
boats that I have see travel to other regattas. Any interest from them in
this change?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2008/12/30 Bert Foster <<a
href="mailto:Bert@apexq.com" target="_blank">Bert@apexq.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hi Fleet #5,<br>
<br>
<b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sonar North American Championship Regatta
in 2010<br>
</span></u></b>I have been communicating with my good friend, Rick Doerr, who
is President of the Sonar Class Association (SCA). Rick is the Paralympic
Sonar Sailor who beat us in the Paralympic Trials in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Newport</st1:place></st1:City>, and who we sailed against in every
regatta (15) for 2 years. The SCA holds a North American Championship
Regatta each year except a year when the Sonar World Championship is in <st1:place
w:st="on">North America</st1:place>, and they like to have the NA out in the midwest
every few years to help the class grow from being just an east coast boat.<br>
<br>
The Sonar World Championship is at the American YC in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Rye</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">NY</st1:State></st1:place> in
Oct. 2009. Therefore, the next NA regatta will be in Sept-Oct 2010, and
could be in the midwest. I have put a bid in for Fleet #5 and the WYC to
be selected. Some of this was based on the extreme success of both the
J-22 and J-24 NAs. Of course this will depend on whether or not Fleet #5
wants to hold it and do all the work. JR has volunteered to be the regatta
chairman and both Ernie and I will help a lot as we are retired. However,
the entire fleet has to want to do it or it won't work. I could be a lot
of fun and a big event for us. We could hold it right after the Star of
the North so, an east coast boat could drag out here and sail 2 regattas and
fly home in between. We haven't been chosen yet and our Fleet has decided
they want to do it. So, think about it. <br>
<br>
<b><u><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sonar Fleet And Dry Sailing (lifts)<br>
</span></u></b>I'm requesting Fleet #5 to approve dry sailing beginning in
2009. I requesting this because I think it would be good for the fleet to
come into the modern world. My recent experience with dry sailing around
the country, my recent experience with Captain Hook, what goes on at the WYC
with other fleets dry sailing, and the new dock systems coming to the WYC has
lead me to believe we should do it. We now have a number of sailors who
travel to regattas and you can't have competitive boat speed it your boat has
been in the water at the WYC with VC 17 on its bottom. Its true that boat
speed isn't as important on an inland lake with shifting winds as it is in
coastal waters and big waves. Therefore, the possible boat speed
difference on <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Minnetonka</st1:place></st1:City>
between dry and wet sailed boats in not as critical. Speed differential
no where near as much as new sails. So, lets make it a personal choice. <br>
<br>
Lets discuss it.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bert</span></font><font size=1 color="#888888" face=Arial><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=1 color="#888888" face=Arial><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:#888888'>Bert Foster, Skipper<br>
Paralympic Team Captain Hook<br>
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">19150 Park Ave</st1:address></st1:Street><br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Wayzata</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MN</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">55391</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><br>
h 952-473-2240<br>
w 952-544-1100<br>
c 612-281-9999<br>
<a href="http://www.paralympicteamcaptainhook.org/" target="_blank">www.paralympicteamcaptainhook.</a>
<a href="http://www.paralympicteamcaptainhook.org/" target="_blank">org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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