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Hi All,<br>
This is discussion only. I will then summarize, send email, and
seek input via email. Everyone is welcome to email a reply to the
group or just to me. It is easiest if you would make your comments
in RED in or below each item on which you are making a comment. We
may have general agreement on lots of the points and just a few that we
will work on and/or vote. We can't wait too long to finalize as
things like schedules etc need to be get done.<br>
Bert<br><br>
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At 08:07 PM 10/23/2009, becca lundberg wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Sonar fleet # 5,<br>
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JR and I will not be able to attend tomorrow. I am speaking
for myself here as JR is on his way north but I know we would like to
give our input. I hope tomorrow is for discussions only and final
decisions will be made at a later date.<br><br>
<font face="Tahoma" size=4><i>Becca Lundberg</i></font><br><br>
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:00:21 -0500<br>
To: sonar@lists.wyc.org<br>
From: Bert@apexq.com<br>
Subject: [Sonar] Party and Meeting tomorrow<br><br>
Hi All,<br>
Below are things we need to discuss. Please read, think about it,
print it and bring it to the meeting<br>
Regards,<br>
Bert<br><br>
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<h1><font size=4><b>Sonar Meeting Discussion</b></font></h1><br><br>
<ol>
<li><b>2010 SCHEDULE</b>
<ol>
<li><b>Idea # 1</b>
<li>Schedule the SOTN Regatta the weekend of the last Champ race.
The following weekend would be the WYC Fall Regatta and the Sonar Team
Race regatta. The following 4 Saturdays will be the Commodore
Cup. In this schedule plan, the Sonar fleet could vote to have the
last WYC Champ race not count for Sonars, possibly be a Cup race, or
treat the SOTN as a single Champ race, or as 2 Champ races, in order to
put emphasis on the SOTN and help increase participation. However,
there could be a problem with a Canadian boat’s finish position in the
SOTN interfering with Fleet 5 Championship scoring
points. Last year there were only 8 local Sonar boats +
2 Canadian borrowed boats. The Canadians have said they would next year
bring 3 boats for both regattas. The idea is that the Sonars would
treat the SOTN as their major fall regatta, and most of them would sail
in the Team Race regatta the next weekend. The non-team race
sailors who want to sail in the Fall Regatta would have fewer boats, but
would have a better chance to win trophies (this spreads the trophies
among the fleet).
<li><b>Idea #2</b>
<li>Schedule the WYC Fall Regatta immediately following the last Champ
Race, followed by the Star of the North Regatta, which would also be the
weekend of the 1<sup>st</sup> Commodore Cup, followed by the Team Race
Regatta. It looks like the WYC will have 4 Commodore Cup races in
2010. The Fleet could vote that the 1<sup>st</sup> & 2<sup>nd</sup>
Commodore Cup would not count for Sonars, and the Sonars that sailed in
it, it could be a 2 race Cup race, and the Commodore Cup, for the Sonars,
would be a 2-race series with all Sonars competing.
</ol>
</ol>
<ol>
<li><b>Star of the North Regatta</b>
<ol>
<li><b>Two or Three Days?</b>
<li>The Sonar Fleet needs to talk about and decide whether they want the
SOTN to be a 3-day or a 2-day regatta. Some people have said that
they have difficulty getting off work, and would prefer a 2-day
regatta. Other people have said they like the fact that it is a
9-race regatta with lots of racing and partying. With a 2-day
regatta, we could reschedule the SOTN to have Friday be the long race for
the other SOTN fleets, schedule 4 buoy races on Saturday and 3 buoy races
on Sunday. A couple of people have said they don’t want to race
more than 2 races a day and the WYC Fall Regatta meets that. In the
Capri-25 fleet about 50% love the 3 days and about 50% will go either
way.
<li><b>Cost</b>
<li>A few people have commented that the SOTN is $120 while the WYC Fall
Regatta is free. It should be pointed out that the $120 is almost
entirely used for 2 live bands, Adult beverages, and special trophies 3
breakfasts, 2 dinners, and 1 trophy lunch. For a team of 4, that’s
a lot for $30/person.<br><br>
</ol>
<li><b>WYC Team Race Regatta</b>
<ol>
<li><b>Race Your Own Boat</b>
<li>The Canadians are bringing 3 Sonars. It’s planned that each
skipper will race his own boat (no boat rotation), although someone may
privately charter his or her boat to someone.
<li><b>2 or 3-Day Regatta?</b>
<li>The Canadian boats will be left here during the week so they could
sail a 3-day regatta.
<li><b>Umpires or not?</b>
<li>Richardson cup umpires Don Becker and Dave Pelling the chief umpire
would like to come back to the WYC. Don and his wife stayed at our
house while Dave stayed at Harry Allen and had the use of my red car and
the GPS for 4 days. He loved it. They are both certified
international umpires and judges and both have done America Cup boat
regattas. Dave has been the chief umpire of the Louis Vuitton Cup
the last 3 regattas. Hans is and umpire and would like to come to
WYC. Also, we have 2 WYC Capri sailors Brent and Scott Seager who
are umpires in training. I believe the first WYC Sonar Team Race
Regatta needs umpires. Bring in umpires of this statue cost travel
expenses and in some cases a fee. It would be great to have them
here, as they also would do a clinic every day, and they would train the
Seager brothers to help develop a WYC umpire corp. The fee for the
Richardson cup was $750 per boat. Due to a lack of sponsorship
money the regatta lost a little money. I think our Sonar Team Race
Regatta might be done for $300 per boat. That’s the same as
Sheboygan
<li><b>Are Non-Fleet #5 Sailors Welcome?</b>
<li>There are people outside Fleet #5 interested in learning team
racing. If they can charter a Sonar are they welcome? I’m not
team racing and could offer my 2 Sonars to interested east coast team
racers and they could fly out and team race in the regatta. Maybe
Shepstone & Galloway.
</ol>
</ol>
<ol>
<li><b>2010 Sheboygan Invitational Team Race Clinic and Regatta</b>
<li>I’m working with Hans on the Sheboygan event for 2010. The
issues are:
<ol>
<li>He can’t schedule it until he finds out when US Sailing wants their
events.
<li>Hans doesn’t know yet if they are getting 4 additional Sonars.
If they don’t, would someone from Fleet # 5 be willing to trailer their
boat over so there could be 9 boats and boat rotation wouldn’t be an
issue? As I have shared with most of you, I’m not team racing, so I
won’t be
<li>Hans was disappointed at the poor interest from the hometown
Sheboygan sailors. He doesn’t know what to do. He is talking
about including Chicago YC and/or Bayview YC. I think the Winnipeg
sailors had so much fun they may field a full team of 9 sailors. If
Sheboygan doesn’t get the 4 new boats, are there 4 Fleet #5 boat owners
willing to tow their boats to Sheboygan so the WYC could have 2 full
teams with 6 boats and 18 sailors? I think we have 18 sailors who
would love to do the regatta.
<li>Clinic + 2 Days of Racing or Just 2 Days of Racing or 3 Days of
Racing.
<li>Hans said, “having Ken Legler was expensive and the regatta lost
money. May we don’t need the clinic for 2010. The 2009
regatta fee was $1200 per team of 3 boats. 3 teams generated $3,600 less
the some he didn’t collect. Ken cost $1,500 fee + air fare +
hotel. Maybe $2,400. Add-in the umpires travel expenses;
hotels, YC meals and the $3,500 didn’t cover it. So what do we do
for 2010?
<li>
</ol>
<li><b>Sunday Races to Start at 2:00 in 2010</b>
<li>As Race Committee Chairman for the WYC, I have a request from Blake
to slide back the WYC Sunday start from 1:30 to 2:00 because of the
difficulty of members of our Race Committee who do both MYC and WYC races
being able to get to the WYC in time for a 1:30 start. Besides the
Race Officer timing problem, it appears that 2:00 may be a better time
for wind, which has been confirmed by MYC who has been racing their
Saturday afternoon races at 2:00 for 100 years. I have reviewed
this with the WYC Board, and have approval.
<li><b>Sonar Fleet 5 Dues</b>
<li>Currently, Sonar Fleet 5 dues are $20, which seems adequate.
Does the fleet want to make it mandatory for each boat, in order to be
scored, to be a paid member of Fleet 5? The YC has a mechanism for
honoring such a fleet rule. Presently, only the PHRFs and Capri 25s
use the mechanism.
<li><b>Sonar North American Championship Regatta in 2011</b>
<li>When Sonar Fleet 5 holds the 2011 Sonar North American Championship,
all participating boats will be required by the International Sonar Class
Association to be members of the association for 2011. It also will
be required that all skippers be members of US Sailing. This has a
lot to do with being able to call it a North American Championship under
the rights of US Sailing and the International Sonar Class
Association.<br><br>
<li><b>Sonar Fleet #5 Volunteers</b>
<li>With all the activity and regattas we are going to need many
volunteers. Think about what you like to do and what you could
volunteer for.
</ol><br>
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