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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Problem<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Several years ago there was a protest in another fleet over the fleet allowing the fleet to give average points to a boat that was away at a NA. The WYC “Championship” on the line with the PC decision. It was a big deal. The PC had to use only the RRS, the WYC-NOR, the Class Rules (not the special feet rules), and the WYC-Sis. The PC had to rule (even though it wasn’t the fleets intension) that the “average points rule in the local fleet” was not referenced in the WYC Sis-NOR and were not part of the rules for the “WYC Championship Series”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Solution<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We put into the WYC Sis/NOR that the Fleet Special Rules are part of the rules the WYC races are sailed under, and we put up a website for each fleet to have their own special rules. Then we set up a process for the fleets to send me, RC Chair their special rules for review for clarity. I review them with my rules guys for clarity and recommend changes if they are needed to be clear. We don’t review them for content as the RC is here to serve the Fleets and they can make up their own local fleet rules. We then post them to the WYC Official Special Fleet Rules that is password protected so they can’t be changed by anyone but the RC Chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While this may seem a little “picky”, the Sonar fleet should follow through. I told Ernie that Carmella and I could get a rock star crew and sail the BI race that is used as the Lonar Cup and get credit for that BI Race. We should reference the Lonar Cup races as using special fleet rules like “single hand and whatever else is needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bert Foster<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RC Chair WYC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>H 952-473-2240<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>C 612-281-9999<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces@lists.wyc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Fossen<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 16, 2012 10:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> sonar@lists.wyc.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Sonar] Additional topics/ideas for Fleet meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Hey Gang,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thanks to those who offered additional topics for discussion at the fleet meeting at Kvale's. Below are those ideas for your consideration. In the next few days I'll put these, along with previous stuff, into an agenda for the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Are there formal bylaws written for our fleet? If so, can copies be made available for the fleet members? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>One reason for seeing the bylaws relates to the idea that our fleet of Sonars has always wet sailed. I believe many years ago there was an agreement to do that to try to keep costs to local Sonar sailing relatively low. But with Zebra mussels coming into the picture, shall we officially say it's okay to use boat lifts if desired by a Sonar owner? Was it ever "officially" prohibited or was it an informal understanding?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Additional recurring business: Average points award if absense is due to traveling to a sanctioned Sonar regatta.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Lonar SIs, date, effect to scoring the race it replaces<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Treats<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Star of the North Regatta, and it's effect to the scoring of Sunday's C5 race.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Sunday Snacks schedule. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Should Thursday treats be added? If so, how to organize that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>The idea is regular post-race debriefs is being well- received. Should Kattack be utilized in the debrief? Can we get more Kattack participation?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I'm going to ask someone to be my proxy for voting at this meeting. Perhaps others might want to do that too. Hopefully that's acceptable to all of you. Since Tom asked people to come to their placed at 7:00, I'm suggesting the meeting start at 8:00.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Thanks for your help with fleet business. That fleet business gets more cumbersome as our fleet gets bigger. A good problem to have though, right? If you'd like to share your thoughts with the fleet, this week I'd invite you to broadcast your views via Sonar.list even if might create a bit of Sonar.list email clutter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>More soon,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>MF<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>