[Capri25] FW: Is There Any Appetite for Any of This?

Thu Jul 17 07:47:34 CDT 2014

Thank you Dan
Great feedback!

However, I do not agree with the "Increase the number of races needed to
get the full mooring discount."
Not everyone can race on weekends for various reasons - Life happens other
than on the water for some :-)
So if a boat races every Thursday, that is already a lot of racing.

Thank you

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Dan M McNamara <mcnamara at visi.com> wrote:

>
> Temple,
>
> Our clubs Windward Leeward buoy racing is fantastic.  I would be
> disappointed if our fleet decreased the amount we did. I think the Big
> Island, Commodore and Burton Cups give a good balance.  If a medium format
> was better for participation we would already see those races draw more
> boats form the club.  Thursdays has the highest participation and we do not
> need to do anything to make it more (except get more boats in our fleet).
>
> Looking at 2013, if we compare Big Island (Boats in Series: [10]   Avg
> Boats per Race: [6]) to the Sunday (Boats in Championship: [14]   Avg Boats
> per Race: [8]) series we see that Sundays is slightly more popular.
> Comparing the Commodore Cups to Sundays is skewed because there is no other
> racing available in the fall.  I don't see switching formats on Sundays
> getting more boats.  Also, we are supposed to be able to have more time on
> the race course on Sundays since we don't a sunset time limit.  Although we
> always seem to get short course because we are the 3rd to last start.
>
> If we want to get more participation on the weekends we could do any of
> the following:
>
>    1. Make next years start order dependent on this years participation.
>       1. The fleet the has the most boats participate picks their start
>       order for the next year.
>       2. The next highest picks second...
>       3. This would reward that fleets that get the most boats to the
>       line for a series.
>    2. Grow the Big Island races
>       1. Remove the "owner on board" restriction from Big Island races
>          1. Gives crew more chances to drive and get hooked
>       2. Continue the on the water training through the Big Island series
>          1. More boats would show up if they knew they could pickup crew
>       3. Start the races in Wayzata Bay at 9:15
>          1. Race to and around Big Island
>          2. set the finish line so we don't interfere with the MYC race
>             1. We spend more time getting to and from Big Island than
>             racing around it.
>          3. Increase the number of races needed to get the full mooring
>    discount.
>       1. Boat owners would need to race more or have their crew race
>       their boat.
>
>
> Changing the race format and start times will have little positive affect
> on Sunday participation.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:17:25 +0000
>  Temple Blackwood <temple.blackwood at infor.com> wrote:
> > The WYC Board has already had some discussion on this
> >and have no plans to make changes at this time, since we
> >have Big Island and Commodore Cup races which are already
> >"mid-distance". But I am forwarding this to the fleet to
> >open up discussion.
> >
> > [Description: Infor]<http://www.infor.com/>
> >
> > Temple Blackwood - Systems Configuration Engineer
> > office: 651-767-4063 | mobile: 651-894-3683 | home:
> >651-699-0598
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> >
> >
> >
> >From: fleets-bounces at lists.wyc.org
> >[mailto:fleets-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Bert
> >Foster
> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:50 AM
> > To: WYC Fleet Captains Server (fleets at lists.wyc.org);
> >WYC Board List Server (Board at lists.wyc.org)
> > Subject: [Fleets] Is There Any Appetite for Any of This?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Contrary to the national trend of significant reductions
> >in sailboat racing participation, the WYC Minnetonka
> >station for 30 years plus has had a steady high level of
> >participation. We countered the national trend of reduced
> >participation with the programs that we run, and do we
> >want to counter the current national trend of offering
> >alternatives to Windward/leeward racing?
> >
> > However the WYC Apostle Islands Station has recently
> >introduced "mid-distance racing" extremely successfully,
> >and has significantly increased participation.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bert
> >
> > Offering Alternatives to Windward/Leeward Racing
> > Published on July 7, 2014 Scuttlebutt
> > |
> >
> >For some years, the measure of a serious regatta has been
> >strongly tied to how well the course axis is aligned with
> >the wind direction and whether the starting line is
> >perfectly square to the wind. But the pendulum of
> >participant opinion is moving slowly toward less rigidity
> >and more fun.
> >
> > The NOOD regattas in San Diego, Seattle, and Chicago
> >offered racing on random leg courses. One fourth of the
> >entrants at Long Beach Race Week competed around
> >government marks, oil islands, and breakwaters. Even the
> >TP52 World Championship in Porto Cervo, Italy on June
> >10-14 scheduled two days for windward/leeward racing and
> >three days for coastal courses.
> >
> > This year, more and more events are offering
> >alternatives to windward/leeward racing.
> >
> > Perhaps the best idea in 2014 has come from Charleston
> >Race Week, where the last race of the day for the HPR
> >Class was a "race to the dock".
> >
> > The course began with windward/leeward legs, but then
> >the final leg took the fleet home through the harbor to a
> >finish near their marina. On board the Carkeek 40
> >Spookie, navigator Bora Gulari said this middle-distance
> >addition was a welcome change. "These boats sail so much
> >faster than they can go under engine power, and it's ten
> >times more fun to race back to the harbor than it is to
> >drive a motorboat back."
> >
> > Here are a few upcoming events that have come across the
> >Scuttlebutt radar...
> >
> > * The 2014 edition of the Half Ton Classics
> >Cup<http://www.halftonclasseurope.net/> will take place
> >in Saint-Quay-Portrieux, Brittany, France on July 7-11,
> >with the racing to have a mixture of windward/leeward and
> >coastal courses.
> >
> > * The 2014 New York Yacht Club Race
> >Week<http://www.nyyc.org/yachting/racing/nyyc-race-week>
> >on July 12-19 will include, in addition to buoy racing, a
> >mid-distance race, plus racing may also include using
> >government marks and a compact "stadium" course inside
> >Narragansett Bay by Fort Adams.
> >
> > * The Cape Panwa Hotel Phuket
> >Raceweek<http://www.phuketraceweek.com/> in Thailand on
> >July 16-20 is the season-opening event of the 2014/15
> >AsianYachting Grand Prix - a series of 12 of the best
> >regattas in Asia. The schedule seeks to provide a mix of
> >courses to suit all boat types, offering windward/
> >leewards, passage races, and island courses.
> >
> > Tags: growing the
> >sport<http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/tag/growing-the-sport/>,
> >Keeping it
> >real<http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/tag/keeping-it-real/>
> > - See more at:
> >
> http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2014/07/07/offering-alternatives-windwardleeward-racing/#sthash.kuzTkHoB.dpuf
>
>
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