[Capri25] FW: Is There Any Appetite for Any of This?

gary valentini gvalen57 at hotmail.com
Mon Jul 21 11:59:16 CDT 2014 

I concur with Dan on all as good changes. I especially like the idea of starting Big Island Races in Wayzata Bay and make them quasi-Commodore Cup type races.
 
The Rumbles on Sundays have been a nice addition. I would suggest adding a distance race on Sunday once a month similar to the Commodore Cup. I don't know how much changing start dates and formats will change participation on Sundays but giving more variety could be a start. There also have been a few people who have talked and suggested abandoning Sundays altogether and replacing with another weekday race such as Tuesdays along with Thursdays, into September, then have a final single Sunday series when the days grow too short for weekday racing. This would free up summer weekend Sundays, for family, church, camping, and other activities. Having more outlets after work on weekdays could increase participation, instead of people being in a dilemma of having to choose/juggle family or house weekend activities vs racing. 
 
I have been and also still advocate a night race in mid to late September as a unique event, especially since most power boat traffic is gone by then --apart from fishermen. We have been doing Night Crawlers now for years without incident. My two cent worth anyway. ~ Gary
 
From: mcnamara at visi.com
To: capri25 at lists.wyc.org; temple.blackwood at infor.com; bert at apexq.com; commodore at wyc.org
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 14:51:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [Capri25] FW: Is There Any Appetite for Any of This?


Temple,

Our clubs Windward Leeward buoy racing is
fantastic.  I would be disappointed if our fleet decreased the amount we did. I think the Big Island, Commodore and Burton Cups give a good
balance.  If a medium format was better for participation we would already see those races draw more boats form the club.  Thursdays has the
highest participation and we do not need to do anything to make it more (except get more boats in our fleet).  

Looking at 2013, if we
compare Big Island (Boats in Series: [10]   Avg Boats per Race: [6]) to the Sunday (Boats in Championship: [14]   Avg Boats per Race: [8])
series we see that Sundays is slightly more popular.  Comparing the Commodore Cups to Sundays is skewed because there is no other racing
available in the fall.  I don't see switching formats on Sundays getting more boats.  Also, we are supposed to be able to have more time on
the race course on Sundays since we don't a sunset time limit.  Although we always seem to get short course because we are the 3rd to last
start.

If we want to get more participation on the weekends we could do any of the following:
Make next years start order dependent
on this years participation.  The fleet the has the most boats participate picks their start order for the next year. 

The next highest picks second...  
This would reward that fleets that get the most boats to the line for a
series.Grow the Big Island racesRemove the "owner on board" restriction from Big Island racesGives crew more
chances to drive and get hookedContinue the on the water training through the Big Island seriesMore boats would show up if
they knew they could pickup crewStart the races in Wayzata Bay at 9:15Race to and around Big Islandset the finish
line so we don't interfere with the MYC raceWe spend more time getting to and from Big Island than racing around
it.Increase the number of races needed to get the full mooring discount.Boat owners would need to race more or
have their crew race their boat.
Changing the race format and start times will have little positive affect on Sunday
participation.

Dan



On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:17:25 +0000
 Temple Blackwood <temple.blackwood at infor.com>
wrote:
> The WYC Board has already had some discussion on this 
>and have no plans to make changes at this time, since we 
>have Big
Island and Commodore Cup races which are already 
>"mid-distance". But I am forwarding this to the fleet to 
>open up discussion.
>

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> 
> 
>From: fleets-bounces at lists.wyc.org 
>[mailto:fleets-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Bert 
>Foster
>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 9:50 AM
> To: WYC Fleet Captains Server (fleets at lists.wyc.org); 
>WYC Board List Server
(Board at lists.wyc.org)
> Subject: [Fleets] Is There Any Appetite for Any of This?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Contrary to the
national trend of significant reductions 
>in sailboat racing participation, the WYC Minnetonka 
>station for 30 years plus has had a
steady high level of 
>participation. We countered the national trend of reduced 
>participation with the programs that we run, and do we

>want to counter the current national trend of offering 
>alternatives to Windward/leeward racing?
> 
> However the WYC
Apostle Islands Station has recently 
>introduced "mid-distance racing" extremely successfully, 
>and has significantly increased
participation.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bert
> 
> Offering Alternatives to Windward/Leeward Racing
> Published on
July 7, 2014 Scuttlebutt
> |
> 
>For some years, the measure of a serious regatta has been 
>strongly tied to how well the
course axis is aligned with 
>the wind direction and whether the starting line is 
>perfectly square to the wind. But the pendulum of

>participant opinion is moving slowly toward less rigidity 
>and more fun.
> 
> The NOOD regattas in San Diego, Seattle, and
Chicago 
>offered racing on random leg courses. One fourth of the 
>entrants at Long Beach Race Week competed around 
>government
marks, oil islands, and breakwaters. Even the 
>TP52 World Championship in Porto Cervo, Italy on June 
>10-14 scheduled two days for
windward/leeward racing and 
>three days for coastal courses.
> 
> This year, more and more events are offering 
>alternatives
to windward/leeward racing.
> 
> Perhaps the best idea in 2014 has come from Charleston 
>Race Week, where the last race of the day
for the HPR 
>Class was a "race to the dock".
> 
> The course began with windward/leeward legs, but then 
>the final leg took
the fleet home through the harbor to a 
>finish near their marina. On board the Carkeek 40 
>Spookie, navigator Bora Gulari said this
middle-distance 
>addition was a welcome change. "These boats sail so much 
>faster than they can go under engine power, and it's ten

>times more fun to race back to the harbor than it is to 
>drive a motorboat back."
> 
> Here are a few upcoming events that
have come across the 
>Scuttlebutt radar...
> 
> * The 2014 edition of the Half Ton Classics

>Cup<http://www.halftonclasseurope.net/> will take place 
>in Saint-Quay-Portrieux, Brittany, France on July 7-11, 
>with the
racing to have a mixture of windward/leeward and 
>coastal courses.
> 
> * The 2014 New York Yacht Club Race

>Week<http://www.nyyc.org/yachting/racing/nyyc-race-week> 
>on July 12-19 will include, in addition to buoy racing, a

>mid-distance race, plus racing may also include using 
>government marks and a compact "stadium" course inside 
>Narragansett Bay
by Fort Adams.
> 
> * The Cape Panwa Hotel Phuket 
>Raceweek<http://www.phuketraceweek.com/> in Thailand on 
>July 16-20
is the season-opening event of the 2014/15 
>AsianYachting Grand Prix - a series of 12 of the best 
>regattas in Asia. The schedule seeks
to provide a mix of 
>courses to suit all boat types, offering windward/ 
>leewards, passage races, and island courses.
> 
>
Tags: growing the 
>sport<http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/tag/growing-the-sport/>, 
>Keeping it

>real<http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/tag/keeping-it-real/>
> - See more at: 
>http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2014/07/07/offering-alternatives-windwardleeward-racing/#sthash.kuzTkHoB.dpuf



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