FW: [J22-Fleet 1] Discussion Thread - Z Course

[George Hansen]

FYI -  additional comments about the z course

Is it just me....
I try try try to stay out of the middle on Thurday nights. With the Z
courses I find that I'm now forced to go to only one side because if you go
the other way you're stuck in the middle of the other course. Also, the wave
action in the middle of the course seems extra nasty. 

I haven't had time to review this on Kattack or gossip about it much, so
maybe I'm all wrong. 
Sorry if I'm off topic. Have a consistent color and shape on each side of
the course and I think we'll all (including the RC) eventually get it
figured out. And big marks, Macy's parade size marks. 
Dallas

Hello George,
When you forwarded Bert's "Two new Z courses", I noticed that they were both
examples of R courses. No mention that a change in the L courses would have
to be made also (L courses have to finish at the R course finish line).  Am
I correct?
Bob Slocum
bslocum at earthlink.net 

Bert,

If I can comment without rattling any cages. If the J-22s and Capri's are on
the same course, the Capri's will normally sail into the J-22 fleet. The
Capri's generally do not want the O course if at all possible. It would seem
logical to me to alternate courses with each successive start sending the
J-24s, J-22s, and S2 7.9s to one course and the Sonars, Capri's  and MORC to
the other. The Ensigns could go to the same side as the J-24s and the PERF 1
could run the same side as the Capris if that helps seperate fleets that
start together. Just one mans opinion. Thanks.

Dutch Bull
dbull at versaim.com

-----Original Message-----
From: George Hansen [mailto:george at pcspeed.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:49 AM
To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: [J22-Fleet 1] Discussion Thread - Z Course

J22 Fleet # 1,
Hello.  There seems to be a fair amount of discussion regarding last
Thursday's race, and the 'Z' course designation @ WYC.   So I would like to
try something new here ?  And get a discussion thread going about the 'Z'
course.  Lets focus on  situations you have experienced, problems you have
seen, and how could we improve the course/racing ?

The good news (not really) for me is that I was not racing last Thursday, so
at least I can  help moderate.  Above all, lets keep the attitude of this
thread positive and hopefully it will help our fleet.  I have included
previous content as a start.  Please keep comments to the point.  NO
Detailed SIGNATURES (it will keep the thread shorter)  

And as a reply to Mike's idea below.  I would be happy to gather a group
after this Thursday's race to continue this discussion - and possibly put
together a formal Fleet proposal.  Thus this thread also.    
George
J22#820

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bowers [mailto:msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com] George,

Can we talk after the race Thursday about putting together a formal
(unified) proposal from the J22 fleet to the RC regarding course layout and
mark type.  I think the RC is really trying to give our fleet more racing
room, as we are usually the only ones on the ZR side, but on 3 occations so
far this season it has resulted in bigger problems than it solved.

Mike

--- Jon Noller <dijon at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Agreed, Mike.  Change the color from white to bright yellow and make 
> them tall cylinders (7 footers, yeah baby!).  They NEED to be 
> distinctly different.
> 
> Example:  http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d3000/e2089.asp


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Bowers" <msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com>
> 
> >I don't think this will solve the #1 problem with the Z course which
> is
> > that the course rarely resembles the diagramed course.  Windshifts 
> > after the start have resulted in akward placement of the down wind 
> > marks, making it difficult to figure out which way to head.
> >
> > If the Z course is to succeed, I propose adding a large Round
> White(?)
> > mark to designate the downwind right course and keep the large
> Round
> > Red for the left mark.  Reusing the orange tetras leads to too much 
> > confusion given that they are the starting marks.
> >
> > Also, every effort should be made to keep the courses seperate and 
> > distinct.  Placing the left course downwind mark <100yds from the 
> > starting line is NOT enough seperation of the courses.  If the race
> has
> > to be set up along the long axis of the lake such that the left and 
> > right courses can't be placed far enough apart, then we simply 
> > shouldn't use it.
> >
> > Mike
> >

Hi George,

Has there been any official discussion regarding clearing up the confusion
regarding Thursday night courses as far as:

--when and where marks are laid,
--the types/shapes/colors of the marks, and --signals (or lack thereof) from
the the RC boat for what appear to be course changes

Thanks George.

John
> >
> > --- George Hansen <george at pcspeed.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Attached is an update from our distinguished WYC race chairman, 
> >> concerning the new z course which was added this year. WYC has 
> >> expanded the z courses to include the following - see attached as 
> >> well.  Thank you -
> George
> >>
> >> George Hansen
> >> J22 Fleet # 1 Captain/WYC BOD
> >> George at pcspeed.com
> >> 612-940-2702 cell
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> NEW Z courses
> >>
> >> Change Notice # 1
> >> Change in WYC Sailing Instructions
> >>
> >> Add 2 new Z courses.
> >>
> >> ZRW 2-1/2  (5 leg windward/leeward on right course (only) with 
> >> finishes at RW Start - RW - RL - RW - RL - Finish at RW
> >>
> >>
> >> ZRW 3-1/2  (7 leg windward/leeward on right course (only) with 
> >> finishes at RW Start - RW - RL - RW - RL - RW - RL - Finish at RW
> >>
> >>
> 
> 


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