[J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007

Wed Apr 25 12:34:33 UTC 2007

I agree with Sean. The boat owers have way more invested.

-----Original Message-----
From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On
Behalf Of sean hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:06 PM
To: dallas; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007

I respectfully disagree- Voting should only be retained for boat owners.

-----Original Message-----
From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
Sent 4/23/2007 2:39:26 PM
To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**
If someone is willing to pay dues to the local class and the national
class, 
letting them vote seems like a good idea. Something to consider for the
next 
vote that's on the table.
http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdf
dj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Dyer" <dyer.john at slpschools.org>
To: <msbowers at alum.mit.edu>; <j22 at lists.wyc.org>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - 
April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**

> George and Friends,
>
> This discussion has been great. Obviously a lot of energy out there to

> make
> the J22 fleet even better.
>
> My 2 cents worth is that rather than restrict voting to boat owners,
> wouldn't it encourage participation to allow a vote to WYC members who
are
> also J22 class members? I think the input of non-boat owners such Jon
> Noller, Kurt Holtze, Mike Bowers, Billy Allen, Robbie Evans, Kevin
Kenney
> and others is valuable. Valuable enough to deserve a vote.
>
> The J22 is not a starter boat. Racers frequently, if not typically, 
> migrate
> from other fleets to the boat: Lars from Lasers, Billy from E Scows,
Mike
> from Snipes & Tech Dingys, Thorn from Scows, Dallas from Capri 25's,
etc.
> That migration frequently leads to a middle or bow position and
perhaps a
> chance to steer now and again. This builds the fleet with talent and 
> future
> boat owners.
>
> So let's take the long view and continue to encourage that migration
and 
> let
> middle and bow folks, as well as prospective racers, know we value
their
> input and that they can have a voice in the direction of the fleet.
For 
> most
> of them it's just the extra $45 for the J22 membership. Win-win.
>
> Best,
>
> John
>
>
> On 4/19/07 10:57 AM, "Michael Bowers" <msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>> Being a relative new comer to the fleet, I view the Combined Fleet 1
>> series as the real fleet championship.  That series has lots of races
>> and only spans 5 weeks.  It has the best wind and most consistent
>> participation.  In terms of competition, that series has become the
>> focus for our boat and I think we should do everything we can to keep
>> that series going.
>>
>> A hint to winning the WYC championship, it is an attendance race.
>> However, it takes a lot more than just showing up.  You've got to
find
>> the best sailors for your team, get them to become Senior or Family
>> members of WYC and train with them so they can fill in as driver when
>> you're out of town on the family vacation for 3 weekends.  Average
>> points for the one or two weekends for an NAs isn't going to be as
big
>> a factor.
>>
>> Some may argue that bringing in "Ringers" is unfair, but I would
argue
>> that it brings the best sailors into our fleet, encourages crews to
>> upgrade their memberships and has proven to heighten the
>> competitiveness of our fleet.  I for one love seeing Noeller or Nils
at
>> the helm, racing against the college hotshots that are home for the
odd
>> weekend, or seeing a J24 or E boat sailor grabbing the tiller.
Winning
>> the WYC championship is even more a 'team' victory than a typical
>> regatta.
>>
>> To sum up, I'm still not a fan of average points.  You shouldn't get
a
>> finish position for a race where you didn't compete.  However, if it
>> eases people's concerns for their standings and allows them to travel
>> off the lake, then I would cede that point.  As I said, it really
won't
>> change anything--just as drop races in regattas don't, but for some
>> reason people still love them.
>>
>> Eh, too much thinking.  See you all at the Ice Breaker.  By the way,
>> Laser racing started last night, and it was a blast!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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