[J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007

[dallas]

OK fine, I retract the suggestion...as if an crew were ever going to cough up nearly $200 in combined dues. ;-)

I thought it might encourage more membership in the national class.

dj

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Brigham 
  To: Nick Anderson ; sean hendrickson ; dallas ; j22 at lists.wyc.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:48 AM
  Subject: RE: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007


  I agree with Sean as well.  Willingness to pay a fee to join a class does not equate to an ownership commitment.  Crew wanting to provide direction and ideas can communicate to the owner of their boat for a team consensus vote in any matter.

  Scott



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  From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Nick Anderson
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:35 AM
  To: 'sean hendrickson'; 'dallas'; j22 at lists.wyc.org
  Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007


  I agree with Sean. The boat owers have way more invested.

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of sean hendrickson
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:06 PM
  To: dallas; j22 at lists.wyc.org
  Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007

   

  I respectfully disagree- Voting should only be retained for boat owners.  

  -----Original Message-----
  From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
  Sent 4/23/2007 2:39:26 PM
  To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
  Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**

If someone is willing to pay dues to the local class and the national class, letting them vote seems like a good idea. Something to consider for the next vote that's on the table.http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdfdj ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dyer" <dyer.john at slpschools.org>To: <msbowers at alum.mit.edu>; <j22 at lists.wyc.org>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:12 PMSubject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**  > George and Friends,>> This discussion has been great. Obviously a lot of energy out there to > make> the J22 fleet even better.>> My 2 cents worth is that rather than restrict voting to boat owners,> wouldn't it encourage participation to allow a vote to WYC members who are> also J22 class members? I think the input of non-boat owners such Jon> Noller, Kurt Holtze, Mike Bowers, Billy Allen, Robbie Evans, Kevin Kenney> and others is valuable. Valuable enough to deserve a vote.>> The J22 is not a starter boat. Racers frequently, if not typically, > migrate> from other fleets to the boat: Lars from Lasers, Billy from E Scows, Mike> from Snipes & Tech Dingys, Thorn from Scows, Dallas from Capri 25's, etc.> That migration frequently leads to a middle or bow position and perhaps a> chance to steer now and again. This builds the fleet with talent and > future> boat owners.>> So let's take the long view and continue to encourage that migration and > let> middle and bow folks, as well as prospective racers, know we value their> input and that they can have a voice in the direction of the fleet. For > most> of them it's just the extra $45 for the J22 membership. Win-win.>> Best,>> John>>> On 4/19/07 10:57 AM, "Michael Bowers" <msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Being a relative new comer to the fleet, I view the Combined Fleet 1>> series as the real fleet championship.  That series has lots of races>> and only spans 5 weeks.  It has the best wind and most consistent>> participation.  In terms of competition, that series has become the>> focus for our boat and I think we should do everything we can to keep>> that series going.>>>> A hint to winning the WYC championship, it is an attendance race.>> However, it takes a lot more than just showing up.  You've got to find>> the best sailors for your team, get them to become Senior or Family>> members of WYC and train with them so they can fill in as driver when>> you're out of town on the family vacation for 3 weekends.  Average>> points for the one or two weekends for an NAs isn't going to be as big>> a factor.>>>> Some may argue that bringing in "Ringers" is unfair, but I would argue>> that it brings the best sailors into our fleet, encourages crews to>> upgrade their memberships and has proven to heighten the>> competitiveness of our fleet.  I for one love seeing Noeller or Nils at>> the helm, racing against the college hotshots that are home for the odd>> weekend, or seeing a J24 or E boat sailor grabbing the tiller.  Winning>> the WYC championship is even more a 'team' victory than a typical>> regatta.>>>> To sum up, I'm still not a fan of average points.  You shouldn't get a>> finish position for a race where you didn't compete.  However, if it>> eases people's concerns for their standings and allows them to travel>> off the lake, then I would cede that point.  As I said, it really won't>> change anything--just as drop races in regattas don't, but for some>> reason people still love them.>>>> Eh, too much thinking.  See you all at the Ice Breaker.  By the way,>> Laser racing started last night, and it was a blast!>>>> Mike>>>>>> __________________________________________________>> Do You Yahoo!?>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>> http://mail.yahoo.com>> _______________________________________________>> J22 mailing list>> J22 at lists.wyc.org>> http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22>>> _______________________________________________> J22 mailing list> J22 at lists.wyc.org> http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22>   _______________________________________________J22 mailing listJ22 at lists.wyc.orghttp://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/j22
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