[J22-Fleet 1] Last minute Help needed for Ice Breaker
lois.carlson at ubs.com
lois.carlson at ubs.com
Thu Apr 26 15:41:57 UTC 2007
I can do T-shirts
Lois Carlson
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From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org
[mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of john klick
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:19 AM
To: dallas; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: [J22-Fleet 1] Last minute Help needed for Ice Breaker
Hey all...Need some help with a couple things for the regatta.
Can some one pick up the case of Absolute at Qualty Wine and
Spirits in Bloomington. This is ready today and is under my name or
J22 Fleet One (You dont have to pay!)
Quality Wine & Spirits Co
7900 Chicago Ave S
Bloomington, MN 55420-1324
Also, We will need someone to pick up the Tshirts (big box) at Gee Teez
tomorrow.
Gee Teez & Co Ltd
4505 Nicollet Ave
Minneapolis, MN 55419 - 5036
(612) 825-9330
John Klick
612-817-4853
-----Original Message-----
From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
Sent 4/25/2007 8:55:28 AM
To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007
OK fine, I retract the suggestion...as if an crew were ever
going to cough up nearly $200 in combined dues. ;-)
I thought it might encourage more membership in the national
class.
dj
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Brigham <mailto:Scott.Brigham at genmills.com>
To: Nick Anderson <mailto:Boogie513 at mchsi.com> ; sean
hendrickson <mailto:sean at electric-apple.com> ; dallas
<mailto:dallas at dallasjohnson.net> ; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached - April29/2007
I agree with Sean as well. Willingness to pay a fee to
join a class does not equate to an ownership commitment. Crew wanting
to provide direction and ideas can communicate to the owner of their
boat for a team consensus vote in any matter.
Scott
________________________________
From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org
[mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Nick Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:35 AM
To: 'sean hendrickson'; 'dallas'; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached - April29/2007
I agree with Sean. The boat owers have way more
invested.
-----Original Message-----
From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org
[mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of sean hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:06 PM
To: dallas; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached - April29/2007
I respectfully disagree- Voting should only be retained
for boat owners.
-----Original Message-----
From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
Sent 4/23/2007 2:39:26 PM
To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached - April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**
If someone is willing to pay dues to the local class and
the national class,
letting them vote seems like a good idea. Something to
consider for the next
vote that's on the table.
http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdf
dj
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dyer" <dyer.john at slpschools.org>
To: <msbowers at alum.mit.edu>; <j22 at lists.wyc.org>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot
Attached -
April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**
> George and Friends,
>
> This discussion has been great. Obviously a lot of
energy out there to
> make
> the J22 fleet even better.
>
> My 2 cents worth is that rather than restrict voting
to boat owners,
> wouldn't it encourage participation to allow a vote to
WYC members who are
> also J22 class members? I think the input of non-boat
owners such Jon
> Noller, Kurt Holtze, Mike Bowers, Billy Allen, Robbie
Evans, Kevin Kenney
> and others is valuable. Valuable enough to deserve a
vote.
>
> The J22 is not a starter boat. Racers frequently, if
not typically,
> migrate
> from other fleets to the boat: Lars from Lasers, Billy
from E Scows, Mike
> from Snipes & Tech Dingys, Thorn from Scows, Dallas
from Capri 25's, etc.
> That migration frequently leads to a middle or bow
position and perhaps a
> chance to steer now and again. This builds the fleet
with talent and
> future
> boat owners.
>
> So let's take the long view and continue to encourage
that migration and
> let
> middle and bow folks, as well as prospective racers,
know we value their
> input and that they can have a voice in the direction
of the fleet. For
> most
> of them it's just the extra $45 for the J22
membership. Win-win.
>
> Best,
>
> John
>
>
> On 4/19/07 10:57 AM, "Michael Bowers"
<msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Being a relative new comer to the fleet, I view the
Combined Fleet 1
>> series as the real fleet championship. That series
has lots of races
>> and only spans 5 weeks. It has the best wind and
most consistent
>> participation. In terms of competition, that series
has become the
>> focus for our boat and I think we should do
everything we can to keep
>> that series going.
>>
>> A hint to winning the WYC championship, it is an
attendance race.
>> However, it takes a lot more than just showing up.
You've got to find
>> the best sailors for your team, get them to become
Senior or Family
>> members of WYC and train with them so they can fill
in as driver when
>> you're out of town on the family vacation for 3
weekends. Average
>> points for the one or two weekends for an NAs isn't
going to be as big
>> a factor.
>>
>> Some may argue that bringing in "Ringers" is unfair,
but I would argue
>> that it brings the best sailors into our fleet,
encourages crews to
>> upgrade their memberships and has proven to heighten
the
>> competitiveness of our fleet. I for one love seeing
Noeller or Nils at
>> the helm, racing against the college hotshots that
are home for the odd
>> weekend, or seeing a J24 or E boat sailor grabbing
the tiller. Winning
>> the WYC championship is even more a 'team' victory
than a typical
>> regatta.
>>
>> To sum up, I'm still not a fan of average points.
You shouldn't get a
>> finish position for a race where you didn't compete.
However, if it
>> eases people's concerns for their standings and
allows them to travel
>> off the lake, then I would cede that point. As I
said, it really won't
>> change anything--just as drop races in regattas
don't, but for some
>> reason people still love them.
>>
>> Eh, too much thinking. See you all at the Ice
Breaker. By the way,
>> Laser racing started last night, and it was a blast!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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