[J22-Fleet 1] Last minute Help needed for Ice Breaker

Thu Apr 26 15:47:18 UTC 2007

I'll get the booze.  My wife's pregnant, so it's not like we're going
to drink all the liquor in one night.

It's just down the street from my work, so I'll grab it this evening.

I plan to be at WYC on friday around 5-5:30pm.  So I'll drop it off
then.

Mike
--- john klick <jklick at snazzyinc.com> wrote:

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Hey all...Need some help with a couple things for the regatta.   

Can some one pick up the case of  Absolute at Qualty Wine and Spirits
in Bloomington.   This is ready today and is under my name or J22 Fleet
One (You dont have to pay!) 

Quality Wine & Spirits Co

7900 Chicago Ave S

Bloomington, MN 55420-1324 

Also, We will need someone to pick up the Tshirts (big box) at Gee Teez
tomorrow.  

Gee Teez & Co Ltd 

4505 Nicollet Ave

Minneapolis, MN 55419 - 5036

(612) 825-9330

John Klick

612-817-4853

-----Original Message-----
From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
Sent 4/25/2007 8:55:28 AM
To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007

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retract the suggestion...as if an crew were ever going to cough up
nearly $200 in combined dues. ;-)

I thought it might encourage more membership in the national class.

dj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Scott Brigham 
To: Nick Anderson ; sean hendrickson ; dallas ; j22 at lists.wyc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: RE: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007

I agree with Sean as well.  Willingness to pay a fee to join a class
does not equate to an ownership commitment.  Crew wanting to provide
direction and ideas can communicate to the owner of their boat for a
team consensus vote in any matter.

Scott

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From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:35 AM
To: 'sean hendrickson'; 'dallas'; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007

I agree with Sean. The boat owers have way more invested.

-----Original Message-----
From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On
Behalf Of sean hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:06 PM
To: dallas; j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007

I respectfully disagree- Voting should only be retained for boat
owners.  

-----Original Message-----
From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
Sent 4/23/2007 2:39:26 PM
To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**

If someone is willing to pay dues to the local class and the national
class, 

letting them vote seems like a good idea. Something to consider for the
next 

vote that's on the table.

http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdf

dj

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "John Dyer" <dyer.john at slpschools.org>

To: <msbowers at alum.mit.edu>; <j22 at lists.wyc.org>

Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - 

April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**

> George and Friends,

>

> This discussion has been great. Obviously a lot of energy out there
to 

> make

> the J22 fleet even better.

>

> My 2 cents worth is that rather than restrict voting to boat owners,

> wouldn't it encourage participation to allow a vote to WYC members
who are

> also J22 class members? I think the input of non-boat owners such Jon

> Noller, Kurt Holtze, Mike Bowers, Billy Allen, Robbie Evans, Kevin
Kenney

> and others is valuable. Valuable enough to deserve a vote.

>

> The J22 is not a starter boat. Racers frequently, if not typically, 

> migrate

> from other fleets to the boat: Lars from Lasers, Billy from E Scows,
Mike

> from Snipes & Tech Dingys, Thorn from Scows, Dallas from Capri 25's,
etc.

> That migration frequently leads to a middle or bow position and
perhaps a

> chance to steer now and again. This builds the fleet with talent and 

> future

> boat owners.

>

> So let's take the long view and continue to encourage that migration
and 

> let

> middle and bow folks, as well as prospective racers, know we value
their

> input and that they can have a voice in the direction of the fleet.
For 

> most

> of them it's just the extra $45 for the J22 membership. Win-win.

>

> Best,

>

> John

>

>

> On 4/19/07 10:57 AM, "Michael Bowers" <msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

>

>> Being a relative new comer to the fleet, I view the Combined Fleet 1

>> series as the real fleet championship.  That series has lots of
races

>> and only spans 5 weeks.  It has the best wind and most consistent

>> participation.  In terms of competition, that series has become the

>> focus for our boat and I think we should do everything we can to
keep

>> that series going.

>>

>> A hint to winning the WYC championship, it is an attendance race.

>> However, it takes a lot more than just showing up.  You've got to
find

>> the best sailors for your team, get them to become Senior or Family

>> members of WYC and train with them so they can fill in as driver
when

>> you're out of town on the family vacation for 3 weekends.  Average

>> points for the one or two weekends for an NAs isn't going to be as
big

>> a factor.

>>

>> Some may argue that bringing in "Ringers" is unfair, but I would
argue

>> that it brings the best sailors into our fleet, encourages crews to

>> upgrade their memberships and has proven to heighten the

>> competitiveness of our fleet.  I for one love seeing Noeller or Nils
at

>> the helm, racing against the college hotshots that are home for the
odd

>> weekend, or seeing a J24 or E boat sailor grabbing the tiller. 
Winning

>> the WYC championship is even more a 'team' victory than a typical

>> regatta.

>>

>> To sum up, I'm still not a fan of average points.  You shouldn't get
a

>> finish position for a race where you didn't compete.  However, if it

>> eases people's concerns for their standings and allows them to
travel

>> off the lake, then I would cede that point.  As I said, it really
won't

>> change anything--just as drop races in regattas don't, but for some

>> reason people still love them.

>>

>> Eh, too much thinking.  See you all at the Ice Breaker.  By the way,

>> Laser racing started last night, and it was a blast!

>>

>> Mike

>>

>>

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