[Sonar] Fw: Another question about Sonar sailing equipment rules

Wed Oct 5 12:24:59 CDT 2005

I noticed that Steve Shepstone was using a MicroCompass when he won the
Sonar Worlds this year.

If it is good enough for him then ......

Mark

On 10/5/05, Andert, Christopher M <christopher.m.andert at lmco.com> wrote:
>
> I'd recommend the MicroCompass. The wind in the Midwest is too shifty
> to utilize the RaceMaster. That compass is designed for offshore
> sailing.
>
> I use a MicroCompass all the time for scow racing. And I believe
> Zataway has one rigged for her boat. Not sure who else is using it.
>
> More importantly, a RaceMaster is $900, and the Micro is $450. Save the
> money and spend a little time before each race going upwind. Record
> heading ranges from each tack, and then write them down on a piece of
> duck-tape stuck to the hull. That can be your reference for the rest of
> the race.
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org]
> On Behalf Of Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:08 AM
> To: sonar at lists.wyc.org
> Subject: [Sonar] Fw: Another question about Sonar sailing equipment
> rules
>
>
> Nice headline on sonar.org <http://sonar.org> John!
>
> Here is the response from Peter Galloway regarding the RaceMaster.
> So
> it turns out, we were all correct in a manner of speaking.
>
> (the RaceMaster is the more advanced Tacktick that has the lift/header
> windshift indications)
>
> Actually I'm a little hesistant to go with a RaceMaster because it may
> produce an information overload or context mismatch situation which can
> cause more mistakes than it is intended to prevent...especially if the
> skipper is on the steeper part of the learning curve as I am.
>
> See below.
>
> Thomas Brown
> "Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
> ----- Forwarded by Thomas M Brown/BCBSMN on 10/05/2005 08:55 AM -----
>
> Peter Galloway <pgall at att.net>
> 10/04/2005 06:06 PM
>
> To
> Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: Another question about Sonar sailing equipment rules
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> We eliminated the restriction some years back. You may use a
> sophisticated Tack-Tick if you wish to.
>
> Peter Galloway
> Chief Measurer
> Sonar Class Association
>
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com wrote:
>
>
> I have another question regarding Sonar sailing equipment.
>
> Is a device such as the Tacktick Racemaster, with its windshift
> indicators legal in the Sonar class? There is some discussion
> between
> two fleets anyways that the windshift reading version of the Tacktick is
>
> illegal. While there is no issue with the digital compass itself,
> the
> issue is with some of the advanced features of some available models.
>
> The class rules don't seem to state this specifically and I wanted to
> get
> a better interpretation.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Thomas Brown
> "Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
>
>
>
> Peter Galloway <pgall at att.net>
> 08/23/2005 03:00 PM
>
> To
> Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
> cc
> Eric Johnson <eejohnso at optonline.net>
> Subject
> Re: A question about Sonar sailing equipment rules
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> Unfortunately, the boom kicker is not allowed.
>
> The Sonar Class has "Closed" rules which basically means that if it is
> not
> specifically allowed in the rules, it is disallowed.
>
> The boom kicker provides a significant advantage in light air as it
> lifts
> the boom allowing the upper leech of the main to open, thus it is a
> speed
> enhancing device.
>
> I'm afraid you will have to use the main halyard or a backstay clip to
> hold the boom up.
>
> As for number 325, we have no record of it. Undoubtedly it was built by
> DS
> Yachts in Ontario, Canada. If you know who owns it, we would like to
> include the owner in our data base.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Peter Galloway
> Chief Measurer
> Sonar Class Association
>
> On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:24 PM, Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com wrote:
>
>
> Can I get an additional interpretation of the rules.
>
> As indicated below, I'm interested in using a boomkicker as an
> alternative to a topping lift or clip on the backstay for the boom to
> hang.
>
> A boomkicker does not replace or modify the boom vang, it is a support
>
> for the boom. Here is a link to the website for an illustration:
>
> http://www.boomkicker.com/Bk_index.htm
>
> On the negative note, it can influence how the sail sets since it does
>
> lift the boom when underway.
>
> On the positive note, it does not modify or replace the vang in any
> way
> and does not affect the set of the sail if used properly.
>
> I had used a boom kicker on a Flying Dutchman for several years which
> assisted greatly in preventing broaches when on spinnaker reaches and
> when
> dropping/raising the main.
>
> I know I asked the question earlier but I wanted to make sure that it
> was
> understood that the boomkicker is not a replacement or substitute for a
> class permissible kicking strap. It would be considered additional
> equipment.
>
> We have someone in our fleet here who is potentially interested in Sonar
>
> #325 which apparently you owned or at least sailed. There is some
> discussion as who the builder was. Can you recall who it was if this
> is
> true?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Thomas Brown
> "Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
>
>
>
> Peter Galloway <pgall at att.net>
> 07/25/2005 08:17 AM
>
> To
> Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com
> cc
>
> Subject
> Re: A question about Sonar sailing equipment rules
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom,
>
> We are a class with "closed" class rules. This means that if it is not
> specifically mentioned as permissible in the class rules, if it is not,
> subject to the Technical Committees interpretation.
>
> Class rule F.8.4 (iv) states: "KIcking strap shall be wire, rope or a
> combination of both."
>
> Rule F.8.6 (l) states: "Kicking strap shall be of block and tackle
> construction...."
>
> A fiberglass device is not mentioned thus not allowed.
>
>
>
> As for the mainsheet, class rule F.8.6 (d) states: "Mainsheet shall be
> single ended with one cleat location." A fine tune is not allowed.
> Peter
> Friendlee Acres
>
> tel: 203-834-9561
> e-mail: pgall at att.net
>
> On Jul 18, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Thomas_M_Brown at bluecrossmn.com wrote:
>
>
> Peter:
>
> I've got two questions:
>
> 1. Is the use of a boom kicker (a fiberglass device that holds up
> the
> boom that greatly assists in shorthanded sailing situations) legal per
> the
> racing equipment rules?
>
> 2. The use of the Harken dual exit mainsheet system with fine tune
> built
> in? I believe the total purchase on that is 3:1 for rough tune and
> 6:1
> (total) for fine tune which seemingly fits the rule of no more than 3:1
> for a fine tune. In this system, if you want 'rough' tune, trim
> with
> both lines....fine tune with one line. I presume that you're
> familiar
> with this system.
>
>
> I am splashing a restored #23 this Wednesday into the Wayzata MN fleet.
> That brings the total here up to 17 and #18 is soon to come.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Thomas Brown
> "Maximizing Business by Minimizing Surprises"
>
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