[Sonar] FYI: Canadian Sonar Info

[Bert Foster]

Hi Sonar Fleet #5,
I sent the Winnipeg Sonars the below.  There Fleet is coming 
along.  They now have 4 boats and want to field a full team of 3 
boats 9 Sailors at Sheboygan, SOTN, and WYC Team Race Regatta.  This 
may make towing 4 Fleet # 5 boats really necessary, if WYC has 18 
sailors who want to go to Sheboygan.
Regards,
Bert
PS: Don't forget to send me your comments on the 2010 plans.


>HI Bert,
>Thanks for the info, I am speaking for the group of Winnipeg 
>sailors, but we would certainly be interested in working to field a 
>complete team for the Sheboygan Team Sailing event next year.  I 
>would expect that we will have three boats try to attend the SOTN.
>
>Some good news if you have not heard from Fred and Jim.  They have 
>sold their boat to Ian Kelly, Ian is a very competitive 
>sailor.  Fred/Jim are now looking for newer boat.  So next year we 
>will have fleet of 4 boats, with any luck a few more may jump on.
>
>Good news is with 4 boats all competitive, any one of the boats can 
>win any week, we are sure to have some interesting times next summer.
>
>I have included Ian Kelly's email in the cc above, and have also 
>included Dave Christianson, David Luke & Earl Phillips from the boat 
>Banue, so you now have emails for all 4 Winnipeg boats.
>
>From: Bert Foster [mailto:Bert at apexq.com]
>Sent: October 27, 2009 4:23 PM
>To: Blair Magnus; Finlayson, Fred; jim fogg; Rob Fogg; Eby, Rob
>Subject: Re: [Sonar] Party and Meeting tomorrow
>



>Hi Canadian Sonars,
>
>Are there other Canadians who should be on my list?
>
>How is the Canadian Sonar Fleet coming along?  We just got #424 
>"Woody" from Lake Geneva WI into Fleet #5.  Its and excellent 
>championship boat with new sails with about 15 races on them.  It 
>went for $15,000.  Also, one of our WYC PHRF sailors is traveling to 
>Rochester to check out getting a boat from Skip Shumway.
>
>The WYC has an email server for the Sonar Fleet.  You can join the 
>list and receive emails from the fleet.  Sometimes the strings are 
>long and won't interest you, but some will.  Sign up at 
><http://wyc.org/sonar/EmailList/tabid/527/Default.aspx>http://wyc.org/sonar/EmailList/tabid/527/Default.aspx
>
>Below are discussions we are having about future events, and want 
>your input.  Everyone is welcome to email a reply to the group or 
>just to me.  It is easiest if you would make your comments in RED in 
>or below each item on which you are making a comment.
>Bert
>    * 2010 SCHEDULE
>        * Idea # 1
>        * Schedule the SOTN Regatta the weekend of the last Champ 
> race.  The following weekend would be the WYC Fall Regatta and the 
> Sonar Team Race regatta.  The following 4 Saturdays will be the 
> Commodore Cup.  In this schedule plan, the Sonar fleet could vote 
> to have the last WYC Champ race not count for Sonars, possibly be a 
> Cup race, or treat the SOTN as a single Champ race, or as 2 Champ 
> races, in order to put emphasis on the SOTN and help increase 
> participation.  However, there could be a problem with a Canadian 
> boat's finish position in the SOTN interfering with Fleet 5 
> Championship scoring points.    Last year there were only 8 local 
> Sonar boats + 2 Canadian borrowed boats. The Canadians have said 
> they would next year bring 3 boats for both regattas.  The idea is 
> that the Sonars would treat the SOTN as their major fall regatta, 
> and most of them would sail in the Team Race regatta the next 
> weekend.  The non-team race sailors who want to sail in the Fall 
> Regatta would have fewer boats, but would have a better chance to 
> win trophies (this spreads the trophies among the fleet).
>        * Idea #2
>        * Schedule the WYC Fall Regatta immediately following the 
> last Champ Race, followed by the Star of the North Regatta, which 
> would also be the weekend of the 1st Commodore Cup, followed by the 
> Team Race Regatta.  It looks like the WYC will have 4 Commodore Cup 
> races in 2010. The Fleet could vote that the 1st & 2nd Commodore 
> Cup would not count for Sonars, and the Sonars that sailed in it, 
> it could be a 2 race Cup race, and the Commodore Cup, for the 
> Sonars, would be a 2-race series with all Sonars competing.
>    * Star of the North Regatta
>        * Two or Three Days?
>        * The Sonar Fleet needs to talk about and decide whether 
> they want the SOTN to be a 3-day or a 2-day regatta.  Some people 
> have said that they have difficulty getting off work, and would 
> prefer a 2-day regatta.  Other people have said they like the fact 
> that it is a 9-race regatta with lots of racing and partying.  With 
> a 2-day regatta, we could reschedule the SOTN to have Friday be the 
> long race for the other SOTN fleets, schedule 4 buoy races on 
> Saturday and 3 buoy races on Sunday.  A couple of people have said 
> they don't want to race more than 2 races a day and the WYC Fall 
> Regatta meets that.  In the Capri-25 fleet about 50% love the 3 
> days and about 50% will go either way.
>        * Cost
>        * A few people have commented that the SOTN is $120 while 
> the WYC Fall Regatta is free.  It should be pointed out that the 
> $120 is almost entirely used for 2 live bands, Adult beverages, and 
> special trophies 3 breakfasts, 2 dinners, and 1 trophy lunch.  For 
> a team of 4, that's a lot for $30/person.
>    * WYC Team Race Regatta
>        * Race Your Own Boat
>        * The Canadians are bringing 3 Sonars.  It's planned that 
> each skipper will race his own boat (no boat rotation), although 
> someone may privately charter his or her boat to someone.
>        * 2 or 3-Day Regatta?
>        * The Canadian boats will be left here during the week so 
> they could sail a 3-day regatta.
>        * Umpires or not?
>        * Richardson cup umpires Don Becker and Dave Pelling the 
> chief umpire would like to come back to the WYC.  Don and his wife 
> stayed at our house while Dave stayed at Harry Allen and had the 
> use of my red car and the GPS for 4 days.  He loved it.  They are 
> both certified international umpires and judges and both have done 
> America Cup boat regattas.  Dave has been the chief umpire of the 
> Louis Vuitton Cup the last 3 regattas.  Hans is and umpire and 
> would like to come to WYC.  Also, we have 2 WYC Capri sailors Brent 
> and Scott Seager who are umpires in training.  I believe the first 
> WYC Sonar Team Race Regatta needs umpires.  Bring in umpires of 
> this statue cost travel expenses and in some cases a fee.  It would 
> be great to have them here, as they also would do a clinic every 
> day, and they would train the Seager brothers to help develop a WYC 
> umpire corp.  The fee for the Richardson cup was $750 per 
> boat.  Due to a lack of sponsorship money the regatta lost a little 
> money.  I think our Sonar Team Race Regatta might be done for $300 
> per boat.  That's the same as Sheboygan
>        * Are Non-Fleet #5 Sailors Welcome?
>        * There are people outside Fleet #5 interested in learning 
> team racing.  If they can charter a Sonar are they welcome?  I'm 
> not team racing and could offer my 2 Sonars to interested east 
> coast team racers and they could fly out and team race in the 
> regatta.  Maybe Shepstone & Galloway.
>
>    * 2010 Sheboygan Invitational Team Race Clinic and Regatta
>    * I'm working with Hans on the Sheboygan event for 2010.  The issues are:
>        * He can't schedule it until he finds out when US Sailing 
> wants their events.
>        * Hans doesn't know yet if they are getting 4 additional 
> Sonars.  If they don't, would someone from Fleet # 5 be willing to 
> trailer their boat over so there could be 9 boats and boat rotation 
> wouldn't be an issue?  As I have shared with most of you, I'm not 
> team racing, so I won't be
>        * Hans was disappointed at the poor interest from the 
> hometown Sheboygan sailors.  He doesn't know what to do.  He is 
> talking about including Chicago YC and/or Bayview YC.  I think the 
> Winnipeg sailors had so much fun they may field a full team of 9 
> sailors.  If Sheboygan doesn't get the 4 new boats, are there 4 
> Fleet #5 boat owners willing to tow their boats to Sheboygan so the 
> WYC could have 2 full teams with 6 boats and 18 sailors?  I think 
> we have 18 sailors who would love to do the regatta.
>        * Clinic + 2 Days of Racing or Just 2 Days of Racing or 3 
> Days of Racing.
>        * Hans said, "having Ken Legler was expensive and the 
> regatta lost money.  May we don't need the clinic for 2010.  The 
> 2009 regatta fee was $1200 per team of 3 boats. 3 teams generated 
> $3,600 less the some he didn't collect.  Ken cost $1,500 fee + air 
> fare + hotel.  Maybe $2,400.  Add-in the umpires travel expenses; 
> hotels, YC meals and the $3,500 didn't cover it.  So what do we do for 2010?
>        *
>    * Sonar North American Championship Regatta in 2011
>    * When Sonar Fleet 5 holds the 2011 Sonar North American 
> Championship, all participating boats will be required by the 
> International Sonar Class Association to be members of the 
> association for 2011.  It also will be required that all skippers 
> be members of US Sailing or CYRU.  This has a lot to do with being 
> able to call it a North American Championship under the rights of 
> US Sailing and the International Sonar Class Association.
>Regards,
>Bert
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