[Sonar] FYI: Canadian Sonar Info
Mark Kochendorfer
markoch at gmail.com
Wed Oct 28 18:43:58 CDT 2009
Here is my 2 cents.
Idea 1) If we can really have the team racing on the same weekend as the
Fall regatta that would be a good idea. Having the SOTN join the last Champ
is a fine idea--especially if we do a two day. Move the start time up to
noon or one. There is not a MYC event--right?
Idea 2) I would do this, but I think that 3 events in 3 weekends won't get
us good turnout. Team racing in the snow might not be so fun (like
richardson cup).
SOTN 2 or 3 days) Have skippers vote. I vote for either.
Cost) Its a good value for me. Skipper can ask crew to pay a share if cost
is an issue.
Team racing) I would do 2 or 3 days.
Umpires) I vote for local umps to cut costs.
Non Fleet 5 participants) Yes
>
> 1. *2010 SCHEDULE*
> 1. *Idea # 1*
> 2. Schedule the SOTN Regatta the weekend of the last Champ race.
> The following weekend would be the WYC Fall Regatta and the Sonar Team Race
> regatta. The following 4 Saturdays will be the Commodore Cup. In this
> schedule plan, the Sonar fleet could vote to have the last WYC Champ race
> not count for Sonars, possibly be a Cup race, or treat the SOTN as a single
> Champ race, or as 2 Champ races, in order to put emphasis on the SOTN and
> help increase participation. However, there could be a problem with a
> Canadian boat’s finish position in the SOTN interfering with Fleet 5
> Championship scoring points. Last year there were only 8 local Sonar
> boats + 2 Canadian borrowed boats. The Canadians have said they would next
> year bring 3 boats for both regattas. The idea is that the Sonars would
> treat the SOTN as their major fall regatta, and most of them would sail in
> the Team Race regatta the next weekend. The non-team race sailors who want
> to sail in the Fall Regatta would have fewer boats, but would have a better
> chance to win trophies (this spreads the trophies among the fleet).
> 3. *Idea #2*
> 4. Schedule the WYC Fall Regatta immediately following the last
> Champ Race, followed by the Star of the North Regatta, which would also be
> the weekend of the 1st Commodore Cup, followed by the Team Race
> Regatta. It looks like the WYC will have 4 Commodore Cup races in 2010. The
> Fleet could vote that the 1st & 2nd Commodore Cup would not count
> for Sonars, and the Sonars that sailed in it, it could be a 2 race Cup race,
> and the Commodore Cup, for the Sonars, would be a 2-race series with all
> Sonars competing.
> 2. *Star of the North Regatta*
> 1. *Two or Three Days?*
> 2. The Sonar Fleet needs to talk about and decide whether they want
> the SOTN to be a 3-day or a 2-day regatta. Some people have said that they
> have difficulty getting off work, and would prefer a 2-day regatta. Other
> people have said they like the fact that it is a 9-race regatta with lots of
> racing and partying. With a 2-day regatta, we could reschedule the SOTN to
> have Friday be the long race for the other SOTN fleets, schedule 4 buoy
> races on Saturday and 3 buoy races on Sunday. A couple of people have said
> they don’t want to race more than 2 races a day and the WYC Fall Regatta
> meets that. In the Capri-25 fleet about 50% love the 3 days and about 50%
> will go either way.
> 3. *Cost*
> 4. A few people have commented that the SOTN is $120 while the WYC
> Fall Regatta is free. It should be pointed out that the $120 is almost
> entirely used for 2 live bands, Adult beverages, and special trophies 3
> breakfasts, 2 dinners, and 1 trophy lunch. For a team of 4, that’s a lot
> for $30/person.
> 3. *WYC Team Race Regatta*
> 1. *Race Your Own Boat*
> 2. The Canadians are bringing 3 Sonars. It’s planned that each
> skipper will race his own boat (no boat rotation), although someone may
> privately charter his or her boat to someone.
> 3. *2 or 3-Day Regatta?*
> 4. The Canadian boats will be left here during the week so they
> could sail a 3-day regatta.
> 5. *Umpires or not?*
> 6. Richardson cup umpires Don Becker and Dave Pelling the chief
> umpire would like to come back to the WYC. Don and his wife stayed at our
> house while Dave stayed at Harry Allen and had the use of my red car and the
> GPS for 4 days. He loved it. They are both certified international umpires
> and judges and both have done America Cup boat regattas. Dave has been the
> chief umpire of the Louis Vuitton Cup the last 3 regattas. Hans is and
> umpire and would like to come to WYC. Also, we have 2 WYC Capri sailors
> Brent and Scott Seager who are umpires in training. I believe the first WYC
> Sonar Team Race Regatta needs umpires. Bring in umpires of this statue cost
> travel expenses and in some cases a fee. It would be great to have them
> here, as they also would do a clinic every day, and they would train the
> Seager brothers to help develop a WYC umpire corp. The fee for the
> Richardson cup was $750 per boat. Due to a lack of sponsorship money the
> regatta lost a little money. I think our Sonar Team Race Regatta might be
> done for $300 per boat. That’s the same as Sheboygan
> 7. *Are Non-Fleet #5 Sailors Welcome?*
> 8. There are people outside Fleet #5 interested in learning team
> racing. If they can charter a Sonar are they welcome? I’m not team racing
> and could offer my 2 Sonars to interested east coast team racers and they
> could fly out and team race in the regatta. Maybe Shepstone & Galloway.
>
>
>
> 1. *2010 Sheboygan Invitational Team Race Clinic and Regatta*
> 2. I’m working with Hans on the Sheboygan event for 2010. The issues
> are:
> 1. He can’t schedule it until he finds out when US Sailing wants
> their events.
> 2. Hans doesn’t know yet if they are getting 4 additional Sonars.
> If they don’t, would someone from Fleet # 5 be willing to trailer their boat
> over so there could be 9 boats and boat rotation wouldn’t be an issue? As I
> have shared with most of you, I’m not team racing, so I won’t be
> 3. Hans was disappointed at the poor interest from the hometown
> Sheboygan sailors. He doesn’t know what to do. He is talking about
> including Chicago YC and/or Bayview YC. I think the Winnipeg sailors had so
> much fun they may field a full team of 9 sailors. If Sheboygan doesn’t get
> the 4 new boats, are there 4 Fleet #5 boat owners willing to tow their boats
> to Sheboygan so the WYC could have 2 full teams with 6 boats and 18
> sailors? I think we have 18 sailors who would love to do the regatta.
> 4. Clinic + 2 Days of Racing or Just 2 Days of Racing or 3 Days of
> Racing.
> 5. Hans said, “having Ken Legler was expensive and the regatta lost
> money. May we don’t need the clinic for 2010. The 2009 regatta fee was
> $1200 per team of 3 boats. 3 teams generated $3,600 less the some he didn’t
> collect. Ken cost $1,500 fee + air fare + hotel. Maybe $2,400. Add-in the
> umpires travel expenses; hotels, YC meals and the $3,500 didn’t cover it.
> So what do we do for 2010?
> 6.
> 3. *Sonar North American Championship Regatta in 2011*
> 4. When Sonar Fleet 5 holds the 2011 Sonar North American Championship,
> all participating boats will be required by the International Sonar Class
> Association to be members of the association for 2011. It also will be
> required that all skippers be members of US Sailing or CYRU. This has a lot
> to do with being able to call it a North American Championship under the
> rights of US Sailing and the International Sonar Class Association.
>
> Regards,
> Bert
>
>
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Mark
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