[Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea

Fri May 25 18:13:44 CDT 2012

Uploads don’t take long and are easy to do.  Several people could trained.  I think that the computer recognizes your GPS.

From: Mark Kochendorfer [mailto:markoch at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:40 PM
To: Ernest Brody
Cc: Thomas Brown; TOM KVALE; sonar
Subject: Re: [Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea

Sounds good, but sadly the Kattack app does not run on every phone.

Perhaps a volunteer could get trained and do the uploads for Jarod.  Then priority would be assured.  I know Jarod is tired of doing the uploads.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ernest Brody <epbrody at earthlink.net> wrote:

Two issues that I see.

One is timeliness of the Kattack output.  Solution: Everyone gets the Kattack app so Jarod doesn’t have to download GPSs.  We ask Jarod to do us first.  We may have to sweeten the request.  Rum is a good sweetener.

The other is a place to watch.  We could use the big screen if our playback is ready first.  Otherwise we might have to use a laptop.

I don’t see people coming to the YC on a separate day.  I would like to get it to happen as quickly as possible after the race.  For those who can’t stay, a writeup broadcast to the fleet would help.

Ernest

From: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Brown
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:13 AM
To: TOM KVALE; sonar

Subject: Re: [Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea

Tom et. al:

I think what you're asking for Tom, is what we all want.

Certainly the idea of being able to post race debrief is a great idea.

I think there are several things that really need to happen to make it effective:

1. All the boats need to have GPS capability.   Right now,  I think we're at about 2/3 of the fleet.   If we could have all of them,  that would really make it far more effective.

2.  In order for the GPS solution to work well for a boat,  they must have a compass (wet or dry,  doesn't matter)

3. Set up some sort of debrief where all of the stakeholders are able to view the Kattack without having a lot of other distractions.   We're all familiar with the Kattack boat course depictions,  but there are also other reports (distance sailed by leg is one that I look at a lot) that is a good source of information.

Do people want me to set up a time with Steve where we can have the club house and put Kattack up?   I can also see if we can get Tom Verburght from Kattack to show us how to use Kattack more effectively.

I'm sort of in favor for a Wednesday at 6 or 7 time....the day before the next race.   Sometimes there are board meetings etc. at the club so we'll need to clear this time with Steve.   If that doesn't work well,  we can try something else.

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, TOM KVALE <rentvermilioncabin at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Sonar Fleet,

After many races I have to rush home to help with domestic duties.

I would find it helpful to hear from the fleet a review that may include:
-What side of the starting line was favored?
-What side of the course seemed to be favored during the various legs of the race and how did you make that determination?
-How was your boat set up for the wind condition?

Bob and I/ hull #40 need to get Kattack and a working compass to assist us and we are currently working on basic mechanics, rig set up, sail trim and then tactics.

It would be helpful to have a website race result link that gave a debrief of the race as I would most likely review it later on the days I have to dash home.

Thanks-- Tom Kvale 

--- On Tue, 5/22/12, Thomas Brown <tbrown9164 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Thomas Brown <tbrown9164 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea
To: "J.R." <johnrainaldi at gmail.com>
Cc: "sonar at lists.wyc.org" <sonar at lists.wyc.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 7:47 PM

Perhaps an idea is to watch the weeks races on Kattack after the Sunday race. 

My hunch is that on Thursday nights,  there's just not enough time or attention span...I could be wrong.

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM, J.R. <johnrainaldi at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=johnrainaldi@gmail.com> > wrote:

As an Idea .. if at what seems to be an appropriate time.. after some socializing (TBD probably each race day) we start Kattack and then let everyone know that we are watching the Sonar Kattack race in 15mn.   That would give people time to gather in the clubhouse.  We can still socialize and when we get to the set time we start race replay of Kattack... we could debrief after... that gives the laggards time to show up prior to the finish of the replay.  After the replay is done once we can then do a QA / Debrief...

To Toms Idea....  IF we decided to do something like that... I would suggest we include Skype interaction.... although honestly the real opportunity I believe is sometime same race day... 

Thoughts?

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Thomas Brown <tbrown9164 at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=tbrown9164@gmail.com> > wrote:

Marty:

This is just my.02:

I think immediately after the races, particularly the Thursday night races, that people are too 'busy' either taking their time sailing back in on our long daylight days,   talking about the mahem of the event over a brew, trying to grab a bite to eat or perhaps looking at damage that may have occured....not to mention those that have to get back to close the day at the home fort or plan for the early day on Friday.   In reality,  despite the fact that the memory of the race is fresh, people are often not inclined to a formal debrief at that time.    When Kattack was new,  I remember seeing the race replays right after the race, which was popular for a while but then faded over time as people just tended to need to get things wrapped up before it got too late.  That and the fact that there was also too much other social stuff going on to make it an effective debrief (I set the gold standard for debriefs to be like the ones we had in Sheboygan)

I also think that perhaps its a good idea to let things that are socially organized to stay social as a critical and necessary part of our fleet activities and not try to mix social vs. more technical/planning events.

So, on that note, perhaps what would work would be to have a separate session on a week night just before the Thursday (e.g. Tues or Wed)...after work sort of thing (6PM?)  at the clubhouse with the proper libations available and Kattack on the main screen, and even perhaps an invite to a good race strategy domain expert to critique it.   That way,  that those that are technically interested can come, and also not fear that they will miss a post race debrief because they are involved in other activities immediately after the race.  Also, those that are not really interested in a technical breakdown can enjoy their social time,  as we all do,  after the race.

Thoughts?

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Martin Fossen <martyfossen at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=martyfossen@yahoo.com> > wrote:

Hey gang,

Not too long ago the idea of post-race debriefs was put forth, and well received.  The theory was/is good, BUT it seems the reality is, post race, we gravitate toward non-structured social interaction that may, in fact, include a lot of race stuff but only shared among a few at a time.  So what should we do to facilitate more broadly sharing ideas, observations, insights from each race?  Somehow the idea of banging the gavel, calling the debrief meeting to order, doesn't quite feel right to me either; yet is that what's needed?  How do we shift back out of decompress mode to racing business mode?  Or how do we make a debrief feel as though it's part of the decompress mode?

MF

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