[Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea

Fri May 25 16:39:53 CDT 2012

Sounds good, but sadly the Kattack app does not run on every phone.

Perhaps a volunteer could get trained and do the uploads for Jarod.  Then
priority would be assured.  I know Jarod is tired of doing the uploads.

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Ernest Brody <epbrody at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Two issues that I see.****
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> One is timeliness of the Kattack output.  Solution: Everyone gets the
> Kattack app so Jarod doesn’t have to download GPSs.  We ask Jarod to do us
> first.  We may have to sweeten the request.  Rum is a good sweetener.****
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> The other is a place to watch.  We could use the big screen if our
> playback is ready first.  Otherwise we might have to use a laptop.****
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> I don’t see people coming to the YC on a separate day.  I would like to
> get it to happen as quickly as possible after the race.  For those who
> can’t stay, a writeup broadcast to the fleet would help.****
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> Ernest****
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> *From:* sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Thomas Brown
> *Sent:* Friday, May 25, 2012 8:13 AM
> *To:* TOM KVALE; sonar
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> *Subject:* Re: [Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea****
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> Tom et. al:****
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> I think what you're asking for Tom, is what we all want.****
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> Certainly the idea of being able to post race debrief is a great idea.
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> I think there are several things that really need to happen to make it
> effective:
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> 1. All the boats need to have GPS capability.   Right now,  I think we're
> at about 2/3 of the fleet.   If we could have all of them,  that would
> really make it far more effective.
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> 2.  In order for the GPS solution to work well for a boat,  they must have
> a compass (wet or dry,  doesn't matter)
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> 3. Set up some sort of debrief where all of the stakeholders are able to
> view the Kattack without having a lot of other distractions.   We're all
> familiar with the Kattack boat course depictions,  but there are also other
> reports (distance sailed by leg is one that I look at a lot) that is a good
> source of information.
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> Do people want me to set up a time with Steve where we can have the club
> house and put Kattack up?   I can also see if we can get Tom Verburght from
> Kattack to show us how to use Kattack more effectively.
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> I'm sort of in favor for a Wednesday at 6 or 7 time....the day before the
> next race.   Sometimes there are board meetings etc. at the club so we'll
> need to clear this time with Steve.   If that doesn't work well,  we can
> try something else.****
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> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, TOM KVALE <rentvermilioncabin at yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
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> Hello Sonar Fleet,
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> After many races I have to rush home to help with domestic duties.
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> I would find it helpful to hear from the fleet a review that may include:
> -What side of the starting line was favored?
> -What side of the course seemed to be favored during the various legs of
> the race and how did you make that determination?
> -How was your boat set up for the wind condition?
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> Bob and I/ hull #40 need to get Kattack and a working compass to assist us
> and we are currently working on basic mechanics, rig set up, sail trim and
> then tactics.
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> It would be helpful to have a website race result link that gave a debrief
> of the race as I would most likely review it later on the days I have to
> dash home.
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> Thanks-- Tom Kvale ****
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> --- On *Tue, 5/22/12, Thomas Brown <tbrown9164 at gmail.com>* wrote:****
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> From: Thomas Brown <tbrown9164 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sonar] Seeking input on the post-race debrief idea
> To: "J.R." <johnrainaldi at gmail.com>
> Cc: "sonar at lists.wyc.org" <sonar at lists.wyc.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 7:47 PM****
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> Perhaps an idea is to watch the weeks races on Kattack after the Sunday
> race. ****
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> My hunch is that on Thursday nights,  there's just not enough time or
> attention span...I could be wrong.****
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> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM, J.R. <johnrainaldi at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=johnrainaldi@gmail.com>>
> wrote:****
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> *As an Idea* .. if at what seems to be an appropriate time.. after some
> socializing (TBD probably each race day) we start Kattack and then let
> everyone know that we are watching the Sonar Kattack race in 15mn.   That
> would give people time to gather in the clubhouse.  We can still socialize
> and when we get to the set time we start race replay of Kattack... we could
> debrief after... that gives the laggards time to show up prior to the
> finish of the replay.  After the replay is done once we can then do a QA /
> Debrief...****
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> To Toms Idea....  IF we decided to do something like that... I would
> suggest we include Skype interaction.... although honestly the real
> opportunity I believe is sometime same race day... ****
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> Thoughts?****
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> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Thomas Brown <tbrown9164 at gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=tbrown9164@gmail.com>>
> wrote:****
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> Marty:****
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> This is just my.02:****
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> I think immediately after the races, particularly the Thursday night
> races, that people are too 'busy' either taking their time sailing back in
> on our long daylight days,   talking about the mahem of the event over a
> brew, trying to grab a bite to eat or perhaps looking at damage that may
> have occured....not to mention those that have to get back to close the day
> at the home fort or plan for the early day on Friday.   In reality,
> despite the fact that the memory of the race is fresh, people are often not
> inclined to a formal debrief at that time.    When Kattack was new,  I
> remember seeing the race replays right after the race, which was popular
> for a while but then faded over time as people just tended to need to get
> things wrapped up before it got too late.  That and the fact that there was
> also too much other social stuff going on to make it an effective debrief
> (I set the gold standard for debriefs to be like the ones we had in
> Sheboygan)****
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> I also think that perhaps its a good idea to let things that are socially
> organized to stay social as a critical and necessary part of our
> fleet activities and not try to mix social vs. more technical/planning
> events.****
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> So, on that note, perhaps what would work would be to have a separate
> session on a week night just before the Thursday (e.g. Tues or Wed)...after
> work sort of thing (6PM?)  at the clubhouse with the proper libations
> available and Kattack on the main screen, and even perhaps an invite to a
> good race strategy domain expert to critique it.   That way,  that those
> that are technically interested can come, and also not fear that they will
> miss a post race debrief because they are involved in other activities
> immediately after the race.  Also, those that are not really interested in
> a technical breakdown can enjoy their social time,  as we all do,  after
> the race.****
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> Thoughts?****
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> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Martin Fossen <martyfossen at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=martyfossen@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:****
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> Hey gang,****
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> Not too long ago the idea of post-race debriefs was put forth, and well
> received.  The theory was/is good, BUT it seems the reality is, post race,
> we gravitate toward non-structured social interaction that may, in fact,
> include a lot of race stuff but only shared among a few at a time.  So what
> should we do to facilitate more broadly sharing ideas, observations,
> insights from each race?  Somehow the idea of banging the gavel, calling
> the debrief meeting to order, doesn't quite feel right to me either; yet is
> that what's needed?  How do we shift back out of decompress mode to racing
> business mode?  Or how do we make a debrief feel as though it's part of the
> decompress mode?****
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> MF****
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