[Capri25] Fleet Captains Meeting
Dan McNamara
mcnamara at visi.com
Thu Mar 8 17:42:09 CST 2007
I do not agree. If the starts are based on up wind speed we should
start ahead of the J 24's. The sequence is fine if we want short
races like T 1 1/3, W 1 1/2, Z R1... We will also blow through the
Sonar fleet and catch the J22's in most conditions. The question for
the fleet is "Are we out there to race or just show up and be happy
with Bert's scraps?"
Personally I hate the trap course. It takes too long to set up
(postponement flag when the wind is good) It can't be adjusted. And
Tactically it is not a challenge the race is won with a good start
and first beat especially if the wind has shifted by the time we have
started (80% likely). Or on Thursday nights guessing what side the
wind will hold the best on the last beat before going flat. I refuse
to race any Triangle especially in heavy air, too dangerous. I don't
mind the traffic on a W2 1/2, It is far better then fetch, reach,
bob, drift and finish.
How about an earlier start on Thursdays, traffic is better at 4 then
4:30 so it will take less time to get to the club if we volunteer to
start at 6 we may be able to have the first start unless the S2 7.9
want to start at 5:57. Or how about each series have a different
start order?
There is another issue I have limited info on so if I am misinformed
please let me know. Recently I have been made aware that the slip
fees have gone up this year and they have gone up more for our fleet
then others. 1. Why did the slip fees go up? At the November
meeting we had a surplus of money. So much so that $150,000 was
budgeted for remodeling a club house we hope to tare down in the
future. Did the new board mismanage the funds already? 2. I have
heard that the fees needed to go up because the boats participated
too much, not enough boat getting 15 race or less and paying the
higher rate. If this is true why not raise the minimum races? More
races should mean more crew fees and partners (anuals or family) and
boats that do not participate more will pay a higher fee for taking
up space that there is a waiting list for. 3. Is the length of the
slip the scarce resource? No depth and width are. How wide your
boat or lift is would be a more fair way of of having different
rates. Or have it by the size of the slip that way a J22 or Sonar is
not paying hundreds of dollars less then a Capri 25 for a space that
both boats can fit into. Or raise the rates for every one and then
give rebates for the number of fee paying crew member the the boat
has. 4. Is the Capri fleet being singled out and targeted? I have
sailed in the J22, J24, Sonar and S2 7.9 fleets. All of them have
tried to get me to switch to their fleet especially the J's. Their
#1 recruiting line is "your a good sailor, why don't you sail in a
real fleet instead of the Crappy 25's... they are all a bunch of
choppers that can't control there boats and they don't know the
rules." They look at us as a feeder fleet, to train new crew so they
can poach them. Other then that we just take up space and drink all
of the beer. I look at the Capri fleet as the perfect fleet. Nice,
helpful and sharing people. Very accomplished sailors that have
gotten all they can out of a poorly designed unstable boat. Just ask
the any one from a anther fleet who has helmed the Capri in heavy
air. The ruder does not work, is your sails don't get eased there is
nothing the driver can do. Not true in a Sonar, J22 or J24 all you
need in those fleet to win a race is a great driver and crew that can
follow directions. In the Capri fleet you need at least two crew
that can make adjustments before they are asked for (very much like
racing a MC, C, E and other scows, if you have to ask its too late
you are swimming).
As a fleet the Capri 25's bring in more money than any other. We
have the largest participation, the most fee paying crew, Family and
Annual members. The J 22' have more boats but it is a 3 person boat
and less then half the fleet shows up to most races. The Capri's are
crewed by 4-6 and have great participation. Most boat have a
Thursday crew, Saturday crew and Sunday crew. And we will take crew
off the "crew looking for a ride table" A J 22 can't race with a
beginner on board and the J 24's only race on Thursdays.
As a fleet, are we happy being under appreciate? Having the
established minority dictate how the club is run and the direction it
is going? If we are not happy with it are we willing to do anything
about it? How does making it more expensive to have your boat at WYC
make sailboat racing better? Are we better off moving to Shore Wood
YC if the J22's J24's and Sonars don't want us at WYC?
I am sorry if I am being a rabble rouser or thinking there is a
conspiracy if there is not. But I am very protective of the C25
fleet, Racing with and against you is the most fun I have ever had.
You are all great people and excelt competitors. The racing is not
any better in the J24 and J22 fleets just the start times and the
courses they get. I do fell that the Capri fleet gets the short end
of the stick and now we are being hit with it. The rate change is
going to affect the quality of racing in our fleet, for some it will
mean not buying a new sail this year or next. For Consensus it will
mean not replacing some failed blocks and other hardware unless I or
other crew pay for it. If that is needed I will drop my Annual
membership and be a crew member spending the difference on the boat.
And not contributing to the mismanagement of the club.
The Capri fleet has proven that more expensive does not meet better
racing. I would like it if we as a fleet actively protected what we
have built and got more involved in the management of the club.
Sincerely,
Dan McNamara
Capri 25 crew and Annual member
On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Pete Willenbring wrote:
I also think this is a nice change….question will be how often are we
going to use the Trap course…..every week, only on Thursdays..etc…I
know the race committee is reluctant to set up the parallel courses
when winds are shifty….and then we will be directly behind the
ensigns…which is not good for either fleet.
Pete
From: capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:capri25-
bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Dutch Bull
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:06 PM
To: Kai Kroll; capri25 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: RE: [Capri25] Fleet Captains Meeting
Kai,
I believe the new start sequence would be a real benefit to the Capri
fleet and should greatly reduce the interaction between our fleet and
other fleet on the course. I would strong support it.
Dutch Bull
Northern Iron & Machine
Ph 651-778-3338
Fx 651-771-1292
Cell 763-300-9562
Dbull at northernim.com
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From: capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:capri25-
bounces at lists.wyc.org]On Behalf Of Kai Kroll
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:51 AM
To: capri25 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: [Capri25] Fleet Captains Meeting
Capri-25ers:
The fleet captain meeting is this Friday night. The agenda and
proposed new starting sequence are in the emails below:
I would appreciate feedback on the proposed starting sequence and
other agenda items so that I am able to properly represent the fleet
at the meeting.
Thanks,
Kai
From: fleets-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:fleets-
bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf Of Bert Foster
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:19 PM
To: WYC Fleet Captains; Mary Beth Hovey; Fred Somme; Jarod Silverman;
Blake Middleton
Subject: [Fleets] Fleet Captains Meeting Friday Starting Order
Discussion @ Bert's House 7:00pm
Hi All,
We are trying to make it lest congested by using the Trapezoid
courses and maybe changing the order of the start and the courses,
left or right, fleets sail.
The plan below came up last night in a discussion I had with
assistant RC Chairman, Terry Foster. See what you think.
Starting Order Left Course Right Course
1) S2 7.9 X
2) J-24 X
3) J-22 X
4) Sonar X
5) Capri-25 X
6) PHRF I & Ensign X
7) MORC II & III X
8) PHRF I, II, III X
The plan here is:
to start the fleets generally in the order of upwind speed so a
later starting fleet doesn't catch an earlier starting fleet at the
1st windward mark, as has been happening in some cases now.
sail most of the one-design fleets that are rigged pretty much the
same (fractional rig, big jibs in front and small jibs in back) on
the left hand course. They will not have a tendency to catch each
other and the fastest S2 7.9 may not lap into the Sonars as they have
to make up 2 full legs and have a 9 minute head start.
these fleets are generally less strung out than the others.
Therefore, if we start them with the fastest boats first, they won't
be running over one another.
moving the Ensign after the Capri-25 means the Capri-25s won't have
the problem running over them on the first beat, particularly at the
WW mark, as was a problem for the J-22s. Note the Ensigns do not
come out for Sunday, only Thursday. Moving the Ensigns to star with
PHRF I means 2 small fleets and the PHRF Is can mostly sail away
from the Ensigns right off the start (as the Sonars have been doing)
and the Ensign won't be run over by the smaller MORC boats as they
were by the J-22s.
By having the Capri-25s start in this new slot they won't be run over
by the S2 7.9s and they probably won't be running over many Sonars on
the first beat.
By having the Capri-25s start first of the right course boats, they
will have clear sailing for at least their first 2 legs, maybe more.
By the time they start to mix it up with the other right course
boats, they will be well strung out. As they do mix it up with the
handicap boats they should be able to quickly sail through them.
Some of the handicaps boats will also be on a triangle course out of
their way.
Regards,
Bert
Hi All,
Enough of you responded that Friday is the best time. If you can't
make it, send someone who is experienced in your fleet as your
representative. One one person per fleet plus the RC of Bert, Blake,
Jared, and Fred.
I will provide beverages. MB, maybe bring a bottle of wine you
like. I have some but you may not like it, as I don't know wine.
Meeting Agenda
Fleet Captains Duties
Possible Starting Order Change
Each Fleets Desired Courses and length. Come prepared.
Protests, out of fleet courtesy, and "CROSS OR TACK"
Anything else anybody wants to bring up
Regards,
Bert
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