[Capri25] Capri 25 Mainsheet Magazine Tech editor looking for writers...

Mon Apr 22 17:36:58 CDT 2013

Hi all,

I saw were people were having difficulties with these old Capri 25's and
their keel's. Do not feel you are alone in this problem. All old Sonars need
to have their keel repaired and it's not cheap. Carmella and I had to have
Sesame Street repaired last fall by Tim at Shorewood Yacht Club. It was
expensive.

Carmella has told me a story that when she was a partner in Ham It up, they
needed keel repair. They took at the white bear boat works. Carmella tells
the story that they emailed her that they had built a wooden box out of two
by fours in which they could drop the keel and then effect the repairs up
inside. She said she got an email from them saying that, "we dropped the
keel today and the earth trembled".

I have below put a link To the Sonar website so you can look at their rules,
and I have put some of the sonar rules in red below

Regards,

Bert

Some of the Sonar rules;  

see http://www.sonar.org/ 

One throwable flotation device such as a cushion or ring with 
positive buoyancy of not less than 3 kg. 
(iii) One hand bailer or bucket of not less than 6 liters capacity. 
(iv) One hand bilge pump. 
(v) One anchor of not less than 3.6 kg in weight and with not less than 
30 m of continuous line of not less than 8 mm in diameter

C.5.2 MAINTENANCE 
Routine maintenance such as painting and polishing is permitted without re- 
measurement and re-certification. 
C.5.3 FITTINGS 
Fittings type, quantity and placement shall be in conformance with Section
D. 
C.5.4 LIMITATIONS 
(a) Application of fillers to the hull for fairing is prohibited, except
within 70 
mm of the bailers. 
(b) Sanding on the hull is permitted to the extent that the laminates shall
not 
be exposed. 
(c) The hull may be repaired provided that the shape, structure and 
characteristics of the original are not altered. 
C.6 HULL APPENDAGES 
C.6.1 DIMENSIONS 
The keel and rudder dimensions shall be in compliance with Section E. 
C.6.2 MAINTENANCE 
Routine maintenance such as painting and polishing is permitted without re- 
measurement and re-certification. 
C.6.3 KEEL SUMP REPAIR 
The sump may be reinforced by the two following methods: 
(a) Two panels of either marine plywood or glass fiber may be fitted into
the 
base of the keel sump and extending up to within 25 mm of the cockpit 
floor. The panels may span completely across space available running 
awartships. The panels may be attached with glass fiber to the sides. Final 
panel thickness shall not exceed 18 mm. Holes or spaces shall be left in 
the panels to allow any water to flow from one side to the other so that 
bailing may be unimpeded. The panels shall not interfere with access to 
the keel bolts or cause chafe on lifting slings. 
(b) Layers of glass fiber may be laid up on the port and starboard sides of
the 
keel sump. The additional layers shall not exceed 5 mm in thickness. 
C.6.4 LIMITATIONS 
(a) The rudder blade and keel may be faired to the limits of the 
measurements specified in section E. The application of fillers is 
permitted. 
(b) Sanding the keel for fairing is permitted to the extent that the lead
shall 
not be exposed. 
(c) Sanding the rudder for fairing is permitted to the extent that the
laminate 
shall not be exposed.

From: capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org]
On Behalf Of Dan McNamara
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:25 PM
To: Temple Blackwood; capri 25
Subject: Re: [Capri25] Capri 25 Mainsheet Magazine Tech editor looking for
writers...

All my suggestion for fixing a design flaw simply and for less money were
deemed against the rules by our fleet rules committee.  Repairing the keel /
hull and compression post area the way allowed is a hell I would not wish on
anyone.

1.	Don't run aground
2.	On dry land drill inspection holes through the false floor.

1.	Keep it dry

3.	inspect your tailor pads

1.	if you pick up your boat and it lifts off the pads before the keel
support you are already damaged

4.	once you have your mast up 

1.	below deck sting a line between your cain plates and make a mark on
your compression post
2.	Pull your backstay on full
3.	see how much the compression post goes down
4.	if you can measure it with a ruler your boat is already sinking.

1.	Just a matter of how fast..

5.	When it does grab your, motor, gas and battery so you don't have to
send a diver for them

1.	fill out the scuttling form

create an account to see the pictures

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=119553

If you can't tell by now I am very jaded about the lack of vision our rules
committee has regarding keeping Capri 25 sail boat racing:  safe, fun, and
affordable.  The reason these boats are cheep is they are poorly designed in
the area all the loads aggregate and there is not a easy way to inspect or
repair it.  

The new rule that sets the minimum weight for an anchor to 8 pounds
(excluding tackle) is another example of this.  Another rule that is not
about safety, fun or affordability.  This spring when your anchor is weighed
without tackle attached (shackle or chain) and it is a 1/4 pound shy of 8
pounds, have fun buying a new one for between $40 and $140.  If it was about
safe, fun, and affordable, the rule would read a minimum of 8 pounds +/- ?
including tackle but not road.  That way if you are a quarter pound light
you can add some chain for $3 and be safer.  Someone with a 5 pound anchor
and 3 pounds of chain has more holding power than a 8 pound with no chain
(safe, fun, and affordable).  

http://www.ehow.com/how_5928950_size-anchor-chain.html

Only one other boat voted for my proposed ammendment and a rule that is less
safe, fun and affordable passed instead. 

For a fleet that doesn't act on most of my suggestion, why do you keep
asking for them?

Dan

On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Temple Blackwood <temple.blackwood at infor.com>
wrote:

Dan, anything you want to share about your boat rebuilding project or tips
on keeping these boats floating?

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From: John Speltz [mailto:johnspeltz@ <http://comcast.net> comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 4:59 PM
To: Temple Blackwood
Subject: FW: [Capri25] Capri 25 Mainsheet Magazine Tech editor looking for
writers...

Maybe you forward to Dam McNamara, he should write a book on the repair of a
Capri before they all crack in half and sink.

From:  <mailto:capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org> capri25-bounces at lists.wyc.org
[mailto:capri25- <mailto:bounces at lists.wyc.org> bounces at lists.wyc.org] On
Behalf Of SHNOOL Schramm
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 4:52 PM
To:  <mailto:capri25 at lists.wyc.org> capri25 at lists.wyc.org
Subject: [Capri25] Capri 25 Mainsheet Magazine Tech editor looking for
writers...

I've introduced myself before, but will again, since it seems activity is
coming up again with the promise of better weather approaching (hopefully
soon).  I am John Schramm, sailing out of Greentown, PA... The group over at
<http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/> http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/
conscripted me to edit tech articles for the Mainsheet magazine,
specifically for the Capri 25.

It's my hope, since you folks have the largest active fleet going of Capri
25s, I might be able to drum up some writers/tinkerers.  Since we're talking
technical articles here, any kind of upgrades/repairs you may have performed
and don't mind sharing, would be greatly appreciated.  Simple projects, or
complex, I would love to hear from you.  Pictures are a huge plus.

If you aren't already familiar with the mainsheet magazine, it's a magazine
by Catalina Yachts, for Catalina owners.  They cover them all from the Cat
14.2 to the Morgan line.  The Capri 25 group is, I feel, under represented.
This is a great way other Catalina product line owners to get information on
the Capri 25.  Complimentary subscription to the quarterly mainsheet
magazine comes with your paid membership to the association.

If you have any thoughts or ideas, or upgrades to share, please contact me
capri25tech @  <http://catalina-capri-25s.org> catalina-capri-25s.org 

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