[J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007

Wed Apr 25 14:24:48 UTC 2007

Guess it depends on whether your goals are to build your fleet, attract
talented sailors and have a high level of competition in a fun environment.

My point is that in the 10 years I¹ve been racing in this fleet, the fleet
and WYC have been doing what I mentioned in the first sentence and may want
to be careful as they attempt to put bylaws in place. Inclusiveness goes a
long way.

You only have to look across the lake to see how MYC has killed this kind of
environment.

Best,

John

On 4/25/07 8:48 AM, "Scott Brigham" <Scott.Brigham at genmills.com> wrote:

> I agree with Sean as well.  Willingness to pay a fee to join a class does not
> equate to an ownership commitment.  Crew wanting to provide direction and
> ideas can communicate to the owner of their boat for a team consensus vote in
> any matter.
>  
> Scott
> 
> 
> From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf
> Of Nick Anderson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: 'sean hendrickson'; 'dallas'; j22 at lists.wyc.org
> Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007
> 
> I agree with Sean. The boat owers have way more invested.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:j22-bounces at lists.wyc.org] On Behalf
> Of sean hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:06 PM
> To: dallas; j22 at lists.wyc.org
> Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007
>  
> I respectfully disagree- Voting should only be retained for boat owners.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "dallas" <dallas at dallasjohnson.net>
> Sent 4/23/2007 2:39:26 PM
> To: j22 at lists.wyc.org
> Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached - April29/2007 -
> 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**
> If someone is willing to pay dues to the local class and the national class,
> letting them vote seems like a good idea. Something to consider for the next
> vote that's on the table.
> http://www.usaj22.com/pdfs/2007MembershipApplication.pdf
> dj
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Dyer" <dyer.john at slpschools.org>
> To: <msbowers at alum.mit.edu>; <j22 at lists.wyc.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [J22-Fleet 1] **Notice of Vote - Ballot Attached -
> April29/2007 - 12pm (noon) Voting Deadline**
>  
>  
>> > George and Friends,
>> >
>> > This discussion has been great. Obviously a lot of energy out there to
>> > make
>> > the J22 fleet even better.
>> >
>> > My 2 cents worth is that rather than restrict voting to boat owners,
>> > wouldn't it encourage participation to allow a vote to WYC members who are
>> > also J22 class members? I think the input of non-boat owners such Jon
>> > Noller, Kurt Holtze, Mike Bowers, Billy Allen, Robbie Evans, Kevin Kenney
>> > and others is valuable. Valuable enough to deserve a vote.
>> >
>> > The J22 is not a starter boat. Racers frequently, if not typically,
>> > migrate
>> > from other fleets to the boat: Lars from Lasers, Billy from E Scows, Mike
>> > from Snipes & Tech Dingys, Thorn from Scows, Dallas from Capri 25's, etc.
>> > That migration frequently leads to a middle or bow position and perhaps a
>> > chance to steer now and again. This builds the fleet with talent and
>> > future
>> > boat owners.
>> >
>> > So let's take the long view and continue to encourage that migration and
>> > let
>> > middle and bow folks, as well as prospective racers, know we value their
>> > input and that they can have a voice in the direction of the fleet. For
>> > most
>> > of them it's just the extra $45 for the J22 membership. Win-win.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/19/07 10:57 AM, "Michael Bowers" <msbowers_55431 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>>> >> Being a relative new comer to the fleet, I view the Combined Fleet 1
>>> >> series as the real fleet championship.  That series has lots of races
>>> >> and only spans 5 weeks.  It has the best wind and most consistent
>>> >> participation.  In terms of competition, that series has become the
>>> >> focus for our boat and I think we should do everything we can to keep
>>> >> that series going.
>>> >>
>>> >> A hint to winning the WYC championship, it is an attendance race.
>>> >> However, it takes a lot more than just showing up.  You've got to find
>>> >> the best sailors for your team, get them to become Senior or Family
>>> >> members of WYC and train with them so they can fill in as driver when
>>> >> you're out of town on the family vacation for 3 weekends.  Average
>>> >> points for the one or two weekends for an NAs isn't going to be as big
>>> >> a factor.
>>> >>
>>> >> Some may argue that bringing in "Ringers" is unfair, but I would argue
>>> >> that it brings the best sailors into our fleet, encourages crews to
>>> >> upgrade their memberships and has proven to heighten the
>>> >> competitiveness of our fleet.  I for one love seeing Noeller or Nils at
>>> >> the helm, racing against the college hotshots that are home for the odd
>>> >> weekend, or seeing a J24 or E boat sailor grabbing the tiller.  Winning
>>> >> the WYC championship is even more a 'team' victory than a typical
>>> >> regatta.
>>> >>
>>> >> To sum up, I'm still not a fan of average points.  You shouldn't get a
>>> >> finish position for a race where you didn't compete.  However, if it
>>> >> eases people's concerns for their standings and allows them to travel
>>> >> off the lake, then I would cede that point.  As I said, it really won't
>>> >> change anything--just as drop races in regattas don't, but for some
>>> >> reason people still love them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eh, too much thinking.  See you all at the Ice Breaker.  By the way,
>>> >> Laser racing started last night, and it was a blast!
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike
>>> >>
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