[Sonar] 2 Subjects to Think About

Mon Jan 5 16:39:59 UTC 2009

'Believe' votes no to lifts but understands the need to foster a culture
where fleet 5 can send credible representatives to off-site regattas.
This need is in conflict with the need to keep the barriers to Sonar and
WYC membership low. I feel the question the fleet needs to resolve is
that now that we have grown to an approximately a 20 boat fleet have we
reached a size that we can switch the priority from membership to level
of performance? 

If the answer is yes then we need to push to get more fleet boats ready
to compete against outside boats both on local and foreign waters
(investing in equipment like lifts and personnel). 

If the answer is no then we need to keep pushing to make more quality
boats available while still keeping the barriers to entry as low as
possible.

It seems the effect of Bert's proposal would be to set up a JV/Varsity
situation where there would be slightly different rules for the
'traveling' team. I'm not against this concept but we need to have the
numbers to support the shift and it should be a conscious decision by
the fleet.

IMHO we need to be patient and keep the focus on growth. 

Allan

P.S. Sorry to miss the party...

________________________________

From: sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org [mailto:sonar-bounces at lists.wyc.org]
On Behalf Of John Sligh
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:00 AM
To: Mark Kochendorfer; Bert Foster
Cc: sonar
Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2 Subjects to Think About

Mark, I'm not interested in buying a lift and adding more expense to my
sailing habit.  John

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark Kochendorfer 
Sent: Jan 3, 2009 8:50 AM 
To: Bert Foster 
Cc: sonar 
Subject: Re: [Sonar] 2 Subjects to Think About 

Thanks for getting the ball rolling on the 2010 NAs.  Has Geneva also
put in a bid to have this race? 

With regards to Dry Sailing, I would like to know what boats are
interested in converting to a boat lift.  I know I am not.  

Is there another boat beyond 757 that would take advantage of this?
Gusto, Surly Angel, Encore, Sesame St are the boats that I have see
travel to other regattas.  Any interest from them in this change?

Mark

2008/12/30 Bert Foster <Bert at apexq.com>

Hi Fleet #5,

Sonar North American Championship Regatta in 2010
I have been communicating with my good friend, Rick Doerr, who is
President of the Sonar Class Association (SCA).  Rick is the Paralympic
Sonar Sailor who beat us in the Paralympic Trials in Newport, and who we
sailed against in every regatta (15) for 2 years.  The SCA holds a North
American Championship Regatta each year except a year when the Sonar
World Championship is in North America, and they like to have the NA out
in the midwest every few years to help the class grow from being just an
east coast boat.

The Sonar World Championship is at the American YC in Rye NY in Oct.
2009.  Therefore, the next NA regatta will be in Sept-Oct 2010, and
could be in the midwest.  I have put a bid in for Fleet #5 and the WYC
to be selected.  Some of this was based on the extreme success of both
the J-22 and J-24 NAs.  Of course this will depend on whether or not
Fleet #5 wants to hold it and do all the work.  JR has volunteered to be
the regatta chairman and both Ernie and I will help a lot as we are
retired.  However, the entire fleet has to want to do it or it won't
work.  I could be a lot of fun and a big event for us.  We could hold it
right after the Star of the North so, an east coast boat could drag out
here and sail 2 regattas and fly home in between.  We haven't been
chosen yet and our Fleet has decided they want to do it.  So, think
about it. 

Sonar Fleet And Dry Sailing (lifts)
I'm requesting Fleet #5 to approve dry sailing beginning in 2009.  I
requesting this because I think it would be good for the fleet to come
into the modern world.  My recent experience with dry sailing around the
country, my recent experience with Captain Hook, what goes on at the WYC
with other fleets dry sailing, and the new dock systems coming to the
WYC has lead me to believe we should do it.  We now have a number of
sailors who travel to regattas and you can't have competitive boat speed
it your boat has been in the water at the WYC with VC 17 on its bottom.
Its true that boat speed isn't as important on an inland lake with
shifting winds as it is in coastal waters and big waves.  Therefore, the
possible boat speed difference on Minnetonka between dry and wet sailed
boats in not as critical.  Speed differential no where near as much as
new sails.  So, lets make it a personal choice. 

Lets discuss it.

Regards,
Bert

Bert Foster, Skipper
Paralympic Team Captain Hook
19150 Park Ave
Wayzata, MN 55391
h 952-473-2240
w 952-544-1100
c 612-281-9999
www.paralympicteamcaptainhook.
<http://www.paralympicteamcaptainhook.org/>  org
<http://www.paralympicteamcaptainhook.org/>  

_______________________________________________
Sonar mailing list
Sonar at lists.wyc.org
http://lists.wyc.org/mailman/listinfo/sonar

-- 
Mark

-----------------------------------------
This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged
information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify
the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and
destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by
a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may
be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the
above.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.wyc.org/pipermail/sonar/attachments/20090105/03354221/attachment.htm 