[Sonar] Party and Meeting tomorrow

[Bert Foster]

Hi All,
This is discussion only.  I will then summarize, send email, and seek 
input via email.  Everyone is welcome to email a reply to the group 
or just to me.  It is easiest if you would make your comments in RED 
in or below each item on which you are making a comment.  We may have 
general agreement on lots of the points and just a few that we will 
work on and/or vote.  We can't wait too long to finalize as things 
like schedules etc need to be get done.
Bert


At 08:07 PM 10/23/2009, becca lundberg wrote:
>Sonar fleet # 5,
>
>JR and I will not be able to attend tomorrow.   I am speaking for 
>myself here as JR is on his way north but I know we would like to 
>give our input.  I hope tomorrow is for discussions only and final 
>decisions will be made at a later date.
>
>Becca Lundberg
>
>
>
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>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:00:21 -0500
>To: sonar at lists.wyc.org
>From: Bert at apexq.com
>Subject: [Sonar] Party and Meeting tomorrow
>
>Hi All,
>Below are things we need to discuss.  Please read, think about it, 
>print it and bring it to the meeting
>Regards,
>Bert
>
>
>
>Sonar Meeting Discussion
>
>
>
>    * 2010 SCHEDULE
>        * Idea # 1
>        * Schedule the SOTN Regatta the weekend of the last Champ 
> race.  The following weekend would be the WYC Fall Regatta and the 
> Sonar Team Race regatta.  The following 4 Saturdays will be the 
> Commodore Cup.  In this schedule plan, the Sonar fleet could vote 
> to have the last WYC Champ race not count for Sonars, possibly be a 
> Cup race, or treat the SOTN as a single Champ race, or as 2 Champ 
> races, in order to put emphasis on the SOTN and help increase 
> participation.  However, there could be a problem with a Canadian 
> boat's finish position in the SOTN interfering with Fleet 5 
> Championship scoring points.    Last year there were only 8 local 
> Sonar boats + 2 Canadian borrowed boats. The Canadians have said 
> they would next year bring 3 boats for both regattas.  The idea is 
> that the Sonars would treat the SOTN as their major fall regatta, 
> and most of them would sail in the Team Race regatta the next 
> weekend.  The non-team race sailors who want to sail in the Fall 
> Regatta would have fewer boats, but would have a better chance to 
> win trophies (this spreads the trophies among the fleet).
>        * Idea #2
>        * Schedule the WYC Fall Regatta immediately following the 
> last Champ Race, followed by the Star of the North Regatta, which 
> would also be the weekend of the 1st Commodore Cup, followed by the 
> Team Race Regatta.  It looks like the WYC will have 4 Commodore Cup 
> races in 2010. The Fleet could vote that the 1st & 2nd Commodore 
> Cup would not count for Sonars, and the Sonars that sailed in it, 
> it could be a 2 race Cup race, and the Commodore Cup, for the 
> Sonars, would be a 2-race series with all Sonars competing.
>
>    * Star of the North Regatta
>        * Two or Three Days?
>        * The Sonar Fleet needs to talk about and decide whether 
> they want the SOTN to be a 3-day or a 2-day regatta.  Some people 
> have said that they have difficulty getting off work, and would 
> prefer a 2-day regatta.  Other people have said they like the fact 
> that it is a 9-race regatta with lots of racing and partying.  With 
> a 2-day regatta, we could reschedule the SOTN to have Friday be the 
> long race for the other SOTN fleets, schedule 4 buoy races on 
> Saturday and 3 buoy races on Sunday.  A couple of people have said 
> they don't want to race more than 2 races a day and the WYC Fall 
> Regatta meets that.  In the Capri-25 fleet about 50% love the 3 
> days and about 50% will go either way.
>        * Cost
>        * A few people have commented that the SOTN is $120 while 
> the WYC Fall Regatta is free.  It should be pointed out that the 
> $120 is almost entirely used for 2 live bands, Adult beverages, and 
> special trophies 3 breakfasts, 2 dinners, and 1 trophy lunch.  For 
> a team of 4, that's a lot for $30/person.
>
>    * WYC Team Race Regatta
>        * Race Your Own Boat
>        * The Canadians are bringing 3 Sonars.  It's planned that 
> each skipper will race his own boat (no boat rotation), although 
> someone may privately charter his or her boat to someone.
>        * 2 or 3-Day Regatta?
>        * The Canadian boats will be left here during the week so 
> they could sail a 3-day regatta.
>        * Umpires or not?
>        * Richardson cup umpires Don Becker and Dave Pelling the 
> chief umpire would like to come back to the WYC.  Don and his wife 
> stayed at our house while Dave stayed at Harry Allen and had the 
> use of my red car and the GPS for 4 days.  He loved it.  They are 
> both certified international umpires and judges and both have done 
> America Cup boat regattas.  Dave has been the chief umpire of the 
> Louis Vuitton Cup the last 3 regattas.  Hans is and umpire and 
> would like to come to WYC.  Also, we have 2 WYC Capri sailors Brent 
> and Scott Seager who are umpires in training.  I believe the first 
> WYC Sonar Team Race Regatta needs umpires.  Bring in umpires of 
> this statue cost travel expenses and in some cases a fee.  It would 
> be great to have them here, as they also would do a clinic every 
> day, and they would train the Seager brothers to help develop a WYC 
> umpire corp.  The fee for the Richardson cup was $750 per 
> boat.  Due to a lack of sponsorship money the regatta lost a little 
> money.  I think our Sonar Team Race Regatta might be done for $300 
> per boat.  That's the same as Sheboygan
>        * Are Non-Fleet #5 Sailors Welcome?
>        * There are people outside Fleet #5 interested in learning 
> team racing.  If they can charter a Sonar are they welcome?  I'm 
> not team racing and could offer my 2 Sonars to interested east 
> coast team racers and they could fly out and team race in the 
> regatta.  Maybe Shepstone & Galloway.
>
>    * 2010 Sheboygan Invitational Team Race Clinic and Regatta
>    * I'm working with Hans on the Sheboygan event for 2010.  The issues are:
>        * He can't schedule it until he finds out when US Sailing 
> wants their events.
>        * Hans doesn't know yet if they are getting 4 additional 
> Sonars.  If they don't, would someone from Fleet # 5 be willing to 
> trailer their boat over so there could be 9 boats and boat rotation 
> wouldn't be an issue?  As I have shared with most of you, I'm not 
> team racing, so I won't be
>        * Hans was disappointed at the poor interest from the 
> hometown Sheboygan sailors.  He doesn't know what to do.  He is 
> talking about including Chicago YC and/or Bayview YC.  I think the 
> Winnipeg sailors had so much fun they may field a full team of 9 
> sailors.  If Sheboygan doesn't get the 4 new boats, are there 4 
> Fleet #5 boat owners willing to tow their boats to Sheboygan so the 
> WYC could have 2 full teams with 6 boats and 18 sailors?  I think 
> we have 18 sailors who would love to do the regatta.
>        * Clinic + 2 Days of Racing or Just 2 Days of Racing or 3 
> Days of Racing.
>        * Hans said, "having Ken Legler was expensive and the 
> regatta lost money.  May we don't need the clinic for 2010.  The 
> 2009 regatta fee was $1200 per team of 3 boats. 3 teams generated 
> $3,600 less the some he didn't collect.  Ken cost $1,500 fee + air 
> fare + hotel.  Maybe $2,400.  Add-in the umpires travel expenses; 
> hotels, YC meals and the $3,500 didn't cover it.  So what do we do for 2010?
>        *
>    * Sunday Races to Start at 2:00 in 2010
>    * As Race Committee Chairman for the WYC, I have a request from 
> Blake to slide back the WYC Sunday start from 1:30 to 2:00 because 
> of the difficulty of members of our Race Committee who do both MYC 
> and WYC races being able to get to the WYC in time for a 1:30 
> start.  Besides the Race Officer timing problem, it appears that 
> 2:00 may be a better time for wind, which has been confirmed by MYC 
> who has been racing their Saturday afternoon races at 2:00 for 100 
> years.  I have reviewed this with the WYC Board, and have approval.
>    * Sonar Fleet 5 Dues
>    * Currently, Sonar Fleet 5 dues are $20, which seems 
> adequate.  Does the fleet want to make it mandatory for each boat, 
> in order to be scored, to be a paid member of Fleet 5?  The YC has 
> a mechanism for honoring such a fleet rule.  Presently, only the 
> PHRFs and Capri 25s use the mechanism.
>    * Sonar North American Championship Regatta in 2011
>    * When Sonar Fleet 5 holds the 2011 Sonar North American 
> Championship, all participating boats will be required by the 
> International Sonar Class Association to be members of the 
> association for 2011.  It also will be required that all skippers 
> be members of US Sailing.  This has a lot to do with being able to 
> call it a North American Championship under the rights of US 
> Sailing and the International Sonar Class Association.
>
>    * Sonar Fleet #5 Volunteers
>    * With all the activity and regattas we are going to need many 
> volunteers.  Think about what you like to do and what you could volunteer for.
>
>
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